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Speed Limiters Could Render Speed Cameras Redundant


Article by: rob brady
Date: 13 Nov 2019

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The European Council have finalised an EU ruling that will see new cars fitted with speed limiters by 2022.

It is possible that the UK will adopt the same ruling, whatever the outcome of Brexit.

New cars will be fitted with 'Intelligent Speed Assistance' that utilises GPS data and speed limit information from local traffic cameras.

It is also likely that the vehicles would require drivers to carry out random breath tests, not just at the start of the journey.

A spokesman for Brake, the road safety charity, said: "Drink-driving and speeding are a scourge on our roads and the cause of devastating crashes every day. It is fantastic to hear that alcohol interlock compatibility and speed limiting technology will soon be mandatory."

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Posted by Kremmen on Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:47 am Reply with quote

I still think limiters will cause more accidents than save them.

There are many scenarios where a sudden cut of power, because the limit changes, will be fatal.


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Posted by Privateer on Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:00 am Reply with quote

News Team Wrote:
New cars will be fitted with 'Intelligent Speed Assistance' that utilises GPS data and speed limit information from local traffic cameras.

So what's to stop hackers from changing the transmitted speed limit to 5 mph or worse 100 mph in a built-up area?

News Team Wrote:
It is also likely that the vehicles would require drivers to carry out random breath tests, not just at the start of the journey.

When driving ... at 70 mph? Shocked I'm surprised that Brake is happy with drivers getting distracted on providing a breath sample instead of concentrating on driving.

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Robert.
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Posted by b33jay on Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:04 pm Reply with quote

I have claimed for many years that this would happen.

It may be that people will hang on to the last of the pre-limiter cars until mid 2030s............. Very Happy

unless other legislation prevents it! Rolling Eyes


 
Posted by pcaouolte on Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:11 pm Reply with quote

b33jay Wrote:
It may be that people will hang on to the last of the pre-limiter cars until mid 2030s............. Very Happy

unless other legislation prevents it! Rolling Eyes

The source quoted in the OP states "older cars will have to have the technology by 2024".

It appears that we will be forced to "upgrade" our old vehicles so that they can also abide by the incorrect speed limits in the map data. Sad

Edited to correct typo.


Paul

 
Posted by MaFt on Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:12 pm Reply with quote

b33jay Wrote:
I have claimed for many years that this would happen.

It may be that people will hang on to the last of the pre-limiter cars until mid 2030s............. Very Happy

unless other legislation prevents it! Rolling Eyes


That, and if there are still accidents (likely) people will just blame the technology that he government have forced them to have thus removing any blame.

Also, imported cars.....


 
Posted by pcaouolte on Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:20 pm Reply with quote

MaFt Wrote:
Also, imported cars.....

If they are going to force us to fit this technology to older vehicles by 2024 I expect that it will also be a requirement for imported cars.


Paul

 
Posted by technik on Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:37 am Reply with quote

pcaouolte Wrote:
MaFt Wrote:
Also, imported cars.....

If they are going to force us to fit this technology to older vehicles by 2024 I expect that it will also be a requirement for imported cars.


That Daily Mirror article is wrong. It will NOT be for OLD existing cars.
2024 is when existing NEW cars will have to have them.


'All models not yet approved for production by May, 2022, will need to have the technology, and the new rules will apply to all new vehicles currently for sale from May, 2024.'

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/speed-limiters-set-fitted-uk-16038957


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Posted by Kremmen on Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:53 am Reply with quote

That is usually the way it goes.

It would be almost impossible to fit this tech into the millions of existing cars.


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Posted by sjbaxter on Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:37 am Reply with quote

I've already got a limiter on my car thar uses GPS and traffic sign recognition cameras. I don't use it for anything other than motorway 50 limits because when using it on a dual carriageway doing 60, it saw a side road at 20 and promptly slammed the brakes on! How the cars behind me missed me I'll never know. The technology isnt ready, the database is not ready. So good luck with that one and the liability cases!


Regards,
Simon.

 
Posted by MaFt on Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:27 am Reply with quote

sjbaxter Wrote:
I've already got a limiter on my car thar uses GPS and traffic sign recognition cameras. I don't use it for anything other than motorway 50 limits because when using it on a dual carriageway doing 60, it saw a side road at 20 and promptly slammed the brakes on! How the cars behind me missed me I'll never know. The technology isnt ready, the database is not ready. So good luck with that one and the liability cases!


I had a brand new Ford Galaxy as a hire car recently that had the magical (there is no other possible way it can work) thing that showed you the current road speed etc but it wasn't a limiter. It just beeped at you if you were over and always showed the speed limit by the speedo.

From my experience that weekend it seemed pretty accurate - it didn't pick up on any side-road speed limits and it even correctly got the speed limits from the Smart Motorway overhead gantries. I'm not sure if it used a mixture of data from the camera/sensors along with the GPS/Map data, but however it worked it was accurate.

I was genuinely impressed as I have seen numerous people complain in the past about it picking up signs on side roads. I'm guessing as time goes on, the technology improves.


 
Posted by sjbaxter on Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:40 am Reply with quote

MaFt Wrote:
sjbaxter Wrote:
I've already got a limiter on my car thar uses GPS and traffic sign recognition cameras. I don't use it for anything other than motorway 50 limits because when using it on a dual carriageway doing 60, it saw a side road at 20 and promptly slammed the brakes on! How the cars behind me missed me I'll never know. The technology isnt ready, the database is not ready. So good luck with that one and the liability cases!


I had a brand new Ford Galaxy as a hire car recently that had the magical (there is no other possible way it can work) thing that showed you the current road speed etc but it wasn't a limiter. It just beeped at you if you were over and always showed the speed limit by the speedo.

From my experience that weekend it seemed pretty accurate - it didn't pick up on any side-road speed limits and it even correctly got the speed limits from the Smart Motorway overhead gantries. I'm not sure if it used a mixture of data from the camera/sensors along with the GPS/Map data, but however it worked it was accurate.

I was genuinely impressed as I have seen numerous people complain in the past about it picking up signs on side roads. I'm guessing as time goes on, the technology improves.


Mines a 2 year old Ford Edge, so same system as the Galaxy but mine insert just a display, it controls your speed too.

The concept will only work if ALL cars have it. No use limiting you to a 20 30 or even a 5mph zone if the car behind you isn't responding to the limit! Especially in zones with a large step down speed. The side road issue is not just seeing side roads, but the gps errors thinking that your on a slower slip road. There are a few round the M60 where the gps thinks your on a slip road (40) whilst passing through on the motorway at 70+!


Regards,
Simon.

 
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