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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:01 am    Post subject: Speed Limiters Could Render Speed Cameras Redundant Reply with quote

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The European Council have finalised an EU ruling that will see new cars fitted with speed limiters by 2022.

It is possible that the UK will adopt the same ruling, whatever the outcome of Brexit.

New cars will be fitted with 'Intelligent Speed Assistance' that utilises GPS data and speed limit information from local traffic cameras.

It is also likely that the vehicles would require drivers to carry out random breath tests, not just at the start of the journey.

A spokesman for Brake, the road safety charity, said: "Drink-driving and speeding are a scourge on our roads and the cause of devastating crashes every day. It is fantastic to hear that alcohol interlock compatibility and speed limiting technology will soon be mandatory."
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think limiters will cause more accidents than save them.

There are many scenarios where a sudden cut of power, because the limit changes, will be fatal.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Speed Limiters Could Render Speed Cameras Redundant Reply with quote

News Team wrote:
New cars will be fitted with 'Intelligent Speed Assistance' that utilises GPS data and speed limit information from local traffic cameras.

So what's to stop hackers from changing the transmitted speed limit to 5 mph or worse 100 mph in a built-up area?

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It is also likely that the vehicles would require drivers to carry out random breath tests, not just at the start of the journey.

When driving ... at 70 mph? Shocked I'm surprised that Brake is happy with drivers getting distracted on providing a breath sample instead of concentrating on driving.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have claimed for many years that this would happen.

It may be that people will hang on to the last of the pre-limiter cars until mid 2030s............. Very Happy

unless other legislation prevents it! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It may be that people will hang on to the last of the pre-limiter cars until mid 2030s............. Very Happy

unless other legislation prevents it! Rolling Eyes

The source quoted in the OP states "older cars will have to have the technology by 2024".

It appears that we will be forced to "upgrade" our old vehicles so that they can also abide by the incorrect speed limits in the map data. Sad

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have claimed for many years that this would happen.

It may be that people will hang on to the last of the pre-limiter cars until mid 2030s............. Very Happy

unless other legislation prevents it! Rolling Eyes


That, and if there are still accidents (likely) people will just blame the technology that he government have forced them to have thus removing any blame.

Also, imported cars.....
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, imported cars.....

If they are going to force us to fit this technology to older vehicles by 2024 I expect that it will also be a requirement for imported cars.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pcaouolte wrote:
MaFt wrote:
Also, imported cars.....

If they are going to force us to fit this technology to older vehicles by 2024 I expect that it will also be a requirement for imported cars.


That Daily Mirror article is wrong. It will NOT be for OLD existing cars.
2024 is when existing NEW cars will have to have them.


'All models not yet approved for production by May, 2022, will need to have the technology, and the new rules will apply to all new vehicles currently for sale from May, 2024.'

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/speed-limiters-set-fitted-uk-16038957
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is usually the way it goes.

It would be almost impossible to fit this tech into the millions of existing cars.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've already got a limiter on my car thar uses GPS and traffic sign recognition cameras. I don't use it for anything other than motorway 50 limits because when using it on a dual carriageway doing 60, it saw a side road at 20 and promptly slammed the brakes on! How the cars behind me missed me I'll never know. The technology isnt ready, the database is not ready. So good luck with that one and the liability cases!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've already got a limiter on my car thar uses GPS and traffic sign recognition cameras. I don't use it for anything other than motorway 50 limits because when using it on a dual carriageway doing 60, it saw a side road at 20 and promptly slammed the brakes on! How the cars behind me missed me I'll never know. The technology isnt ready, the database is not ready. So good luck with that one and the liability cases!


I had a brand new Ford Galaxy as a hire car recently that had the magical (there is no other possible way it can work) thing that showed you the current road speed etc but it wasn't a limiter. It just beeped at you if you were over and always showed the speed limit by the speedo.

From my experience that weekend it seemed pretty accurate - it didn't pick up on any side-road speed limits and it even correctly got the speed limits from the Smart Motorway overhead gantries. I'm not sure if it used a mixture of data from the camera/sensors along with the GPS/Map data, but however it worked it was accurate.

I was genuinely impressed as I have seen numerous people complain in the past about it picking up signs on side roads. I'm guessing as time goes on, the technology improves.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaFt wrote:
sjbaxter wrote:
I've already got a limiter on my car thar uses GPS and traffic sign recognition cameras. I don't use it for anything other than motorway 50 limits because when using it on a dual carriageway doing 60, it saw a side road at 20 and promptly slammed the brakes on! How the cars behind me missed me I'll never know. The technology isnt ready, the database is not ready. So good luck with that one and the liability cases!


I had a brand new Ford Galaxy as a hire car recently that had the magical (there is no other possible way it can work) thing that showed you the current road speed etc but it wasn't a limiter. It just beeped at you if you were over and always showed the speed limit by the speedo.

From my experience that weekend it seemed pretty accurate - it didn't pick up on any side-road speed limits and it even correctly got the speed limits from the Smart Motorway overhead gantries. I'm not sure if it used a mixture of data from the camera/sensors along with the GPS/Map data, but however it worked it was accurate.

I was genuinely impressed as I have seen numerous people complain in the past about it picking up signs on side roads. I'm guessing as time goes on, the technology improves.


Mines a 2 year old Ford Edge, so same system as the Galaxy but mine insert just a display, it controls your speed too.

The concept will only work if ALL cars have it. No use limiting you to a 20 30 or even a 5mph zone if the car behind you isn't responding to the limit! Especially in zones with a large step down speed. The side road issue is not just seeing side roads, but the gps errors thinking that your on a slower slip road. There are a few round the M60 where the gps thinks your on a slip road (40) whilst passing through on the motorway at 70+!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm intrigued to see the suggestions that they will cause crashes because of sudden speed decreases.

PC: "So Sir, you ran into the back of this car. Why did that happen?"
Driver: "It reduced its speed suddenly"
PC: "So Sir, you were unable to reduce your speed to a level which meant that you did not strike it?"
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PC: "Would you say that there was an insufficient time for you to reduce your speed?"
D: "He shouldn't have slowed like that"
PC: "Is Sir aware of the braking distances at the following speeds . . . .?"

Nothwithstanding the above, I would expect that many more vehicles will be equipped with automatic distance controls as part of the increased enhanced speed control technology. It's fitted to my chum's Mazda and, although, a little scary for the unitiated, appears to work.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RSavage wrote:
I would expect that many more vehicles will be equipped with automatic distance controls as part of the increased enhanced speed control technology. It's fitted to my chum's Mazda and, although, a little scary for the unitiated, appears to work.

Off-topic but that reminds me of something that happened back in 2008. I was driving a new Range Rover Sport in the UK in excess of 70 mph and probably nearer 100 mph when another Range Rover overtook us, swerved in front and proceeded to hit the brakes harshly! We were at a Land Rover day at the Longcross testing grounds with experienced instructors letting us drive the new Range Rovers over different terrain. On the race track, they were demonstrating the radar-controlled brakes. It was a little disconcerting for the vehicle to brake without me touching the pedal! It was an effective demonstration though Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife's Skoda Karoq has a similar system that applies the brakes if it feels the closing speed is to high. Kicked in the other day when a car in front hit the brakes hard when the traffic lights changed, quite alarming and would have been far smoother if I'd been allowed to stop the car normally as there was plenty of room to do so!

If I could switch it off permanently I would. There is a setting in the menu to switch it off but it's reactivated next time you start the car Evil or Very Mad
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