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RobBrady Frequent Visitor
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 2718 Location: Chelmsford, UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:45 am Post subject: One Speed Camera Responsible For Huge Rise In Fines |
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Almost 39,000 drivers were caught by speed cameras across Derbyshire in the 12 months to June 2014, compared to just over 22,000 in the previous year.
Although the increase will result in a substantial rise in speeding fines collected for the UK Treasury, 16,451 of those caught opted to complete speed awareness courses which are offered as an alternative to fines and penalty points.
The overall rise has been attributed to just one set of average speed cameras on a stretch of the M1 snapping 18,000 motorists.
Alan Charles, Derbyshire's police and crime commissioner commented on the figures: "As can be seen, there was a significant rise in speeding offences in 2013-2014. This rise can be attributed to the introduction in December of average speed cameras on the M1 put in place to help protect the workforce completing the road works."
The speed cameras will remain after the road works are completed to enable Derbyshire to enforce reduced speed limits during congestion.
Source _________________ Robert Brady |
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Kremmen Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 03, 2006 Posts: 7045 Location: Reading
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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I was on the A23 at the weekend and a few came past me doing 45-50 in the 40mph specs zone.
This is one scenario where I do make use of my cruise control.
ps: The specs cameras from here were spot on with the start and finish of the zone. _________________ Satnav:
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Rob wrote: | Almost 39,000 drivers were caught by speed cameras across Derbyshire in the 12 months to June 2014, compared to just over 22,000 in the previous year | I see that they are working to reduce the number of people speeding then. Up by 77% |
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lillyelse Regular Visitor
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 87 Location: Derby
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:17 pm Post subject: New Speed cameras (everywhere?) |
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M8TJT wrote: | Rob wrote: | Almost 39,000 drivers were caught by speed cameras across Derbyshire in the 12 months to June 2014, compared to just over 22,000 in the previous year | I see that they are working to reduce the number of people speeding then. Up by 77% |
So much for the recently proposed increased speed limit on motorways. The proposal to lift the current 70 limit to 80 because that' s what is considered the norm has been hit by the EU directive that the motorway speed limit is reduced to around 50 /60 MPH. We'll all be driving at articulated speeds soon. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: New Speed cameras (everywhere?) |
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lillyelse wrote: | has been hit by the EU directive that the motorway speed limit is reduced to around 50 /60 MPH. | Reference? |
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Kremmen Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 03, 2006 Posts: 7045 Location: Reading
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:04 am Post subject: |
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The trouble is, as you say, 70 = 80 so 80 would = 90.
On the original post I think some drivers don't understand what Specs and average speed zones are all about. They will when they get the NIP _________________ Satnav:
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Daggers Lifetime Member
Joined: Jun 20, 2005 Posts: 1096 Location: Solihull, UK
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:36 am Post subject: Re: New Speed cameras (everywhere?) |
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M8TJT wrote: | lillyelse wrote: | has been hit by the EU directive that the motorway speed limit is reduced to around 50 /60 MPH. | Reference? |
I'm guessing this is referring to the suggestion earlier this year that motorway speed limits in certain areas should be reduced to 60mph in an effort to meet EU pollution targets.
However this suggestion was more recently shelved, (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28210416), so I don't imagine we'll be seeing any change in the current 70mph limit for the foreseeable future. _________________ Garmin DriveSmart 50 LMT-D |
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marksfish Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Jun 25, 2005 Posts: 802 Location: Sandy, Bedfordshire
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Spain tried reducing speed limits last year, supposedly to help reduce pollution. The government spent millions changing road signs, only for the limits to be raised again a few months later, allegedly due to the lack of revenue generated by the fuel savings!! _________________ Garmin Drivesmart 51 LMT-D Europe |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14892 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: New Speed cameras (everywhere?) |
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lillyelse wrote: | We'll all be driving at articulated speeds soon. |
Yesterday I had to do 70 to pass an artic (very slowly) on the way to Glasgow. _________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
Two of them are obesiting!! |
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Philip Regular Visitor
Joined: 12/09/2002 14:25:05 Posts: 141 Location: Hampshire, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Kremmen wrote: | I was on the A23 at the weekend and a few came past me doing 45-50 in the 40mph specs zone. |
Even assuming that you were working from a calibrated speedometer rather than the (designed to over read) one in your car, ACPO guidelines (10% + 2mph) mean that it's unlikely that the SPECS would be set at anything below 46mph on that stretch. If your observations were based on an uncalibrated speedometer, it's quite possible that the cars you estimated at 50mph were actually driving at or below 46mph, and so were very unlikely to have been prosecuted.
Also - even if they passed you at 100mph, they may have been going much more slowly elsewhere on the stretch between the cameras, bringing their overall average speed within tolerance. _________________ Philip |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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I suspect that Dennis was averaging out the speed readout from his six sat nave devices which is likely to give him a more accurate speed than his speedo. |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14892 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:27 am Post subject: |
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How are the mighty fallen? I now have only three. And of those, one is the built in rubbish Renault R-Link TomTom, so it doesn't really count.
Anyway, in order to average out my 173mph for 12 seconds, I had to stop on the hard shoulder in the roadworks for 98 minutes to get the average down to 40mph.
And at one point, I noticed a contractor's van INSIDE the roadworks coned area, doing at least 50mph past an average camera, but I suppose he was OK because he'd been parked there for two days doing nothing. _________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Philip wrote: | Also - even if they passed you at 100mph, they may have been going much more slowly elsewhere on the stretch between the cameras, bringing their overall average speed within tolerance. | Or they might just have no idea how average speed cameras work and will be adding to the fine pool. As this stretch of road appears to have caught a lot of peeps, it seems that there are a lot of peeps in this limited understanding category |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14892 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Peep, peep. Out of my way, I'm bright. _________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
Two of them are obesiting!! |
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alan_sh Lifetime Member
Joined: Aug 25, 2005 Posts: 545 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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I read somewhere (no idea where) that with SPECS it was likely you would be fined for 1 mph over the stated limit.
Personally, I play safe and set my cruise control to my sat-nav's version of the limit.
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