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Bazzer
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Just tried the Scraptoft to Rearsby routing on my TomTom3 and it routes via Barkby in 6.7 miles.
Happily, having got a refund on my CP5 after using it for 4 months (utter garbage) I can sit back with a smug grin and enjoy proceedings on the CoPilot forum. 
Oh what fun
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Skippy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Bazzer wrote: | | Happily, having got a refund on my CP5 after using it for 4 months (utter garbage) I can sit back with a smug grin and enjoy proceedings on the CoPilot forum. |
Thanks, Bazzer - you have cheered me up no end.  :x 
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rich_gt
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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I have tried the Rearsby to Scraptoft route on my CP5 & like most others got the distance as 9.9 miles for both shortest & fastest.
I then added 1 waypoint on an un-named road north of Scraptoft & the new route shows 6.6 miles going via Barkby.
I think the key to making waypoints work is the correct placement |
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BMWBiker
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| rich_gt wrote: | I have tried the Rearsby to Scraptoft route on my CP5 & like most others got the distance as 9.9 miles for both shortest & fastest.
I then added 1 waypoint on an un-named road north of Scraptoft & the new route shows 6.6 miles going via Barkby.
I think the key to making waypoints work is the correct placement |
But the point is that you should not have to enter any waypoint to enable CP to find the "shortest route", especially if you are on the way and don't have time to study the map yourself to find it.
I get the same results for Rearsby-Scraptoft. Both quickest and shortest come up with a capital "C" for the route, where any fool without a GPS knows that the capital "I" through Barkby is the correct shortest route. CP in the Help file claims to choose the shortest "reasonable" route, but the result is unreasonable to many of us.
I still have V4.0 installed on a laptop, and I find that CP used to be much better at finding the small direct roads that form the shortest route.
But I am still a mostly-satisfied user of CoPilot since it continues to be excellent if you travel the Interstate Highways (motorways), and if you have gotten yourself lost on the smaller routes.
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rich_gt
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with you BMWBiker. CP should be able to work the shortest route out without having to rely on waypoints. I was just pointing out that some people were having to use upto 5 waypoints when I managed to get the route with 1.
I too have had very few problems when using CP on routes I don't know & would trust it rather than trying to rely on my poor sense of direction & map reading skills. It has always managed to get me to where ever i'm going and corrected me when i've missed a turning. I know its not perfect, before I get flamed but, it beats sitting in a layby trying to find where you are when your completly lost. And yes this is my first attempt at using GPS so I can't compare it to other GPS software such as tomtom etc. |
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Skippy
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| rich_gt wrote: | | And yes this is my first attempt at using GPS so I can't compare it to other GPS software such as tomtom etc. |
Sure, if you are used to reading maps then CoPilot appears to work quite well and yes it does get you there (albeit via the long route sometimes). But then again, if you are used to using DOS then Windows 3.1 looks quite good too. 
Likewise, compared to other GPS units out there (which can calculate routes correctly and don't crash frequently) CoPilot performs quite poorly.
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Skippy
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| rich_gt wrote: | | And yes this is my first attempt at using GPS so I can't compare it to other GPS software such as tomtom etc. |
Sure, if you are used to reading maps then CoPilot appears to work quite well and yes it does get you there (albeit via the long route sometimes). But then again, if you are used to using DOS then Windows 3.1 looks quite good too.
Likewise, compared to other GPS units out there (which can calculate routes correctly and don't crash frequently) CoPilot performs quite poorly.
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| rich_gt wrote: | | And yes this is my first attempt at using GPS so I can't compare it to other GPS software such as tomtom etc. |
Sure, if you are used to reading maps then CoPilot appears to work quite well and yes it does get you there (albeit via the long route sometimes). But then again, if you are used to using DOS then Windows 3.1 looks quite good too.
Likewise, compared to other GPS units out there (which can calculate routes correctly and don't crash frequently) CoPilot performs quite poorly.
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BMWBiker
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| rich_gt wrote: | ...some people were having to use upto 5 waypoints when I managed to get the route with 1.
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Again, entering any waypoint is not a desireable option for those of us who want the GPS to find the shortest route while driving or especially riding.
CoPilot prior to version 5 was excellent in finding the quickest or shortest route, and in having very accurate ETA. I have high hopes they will regain that at least in V6 if not in a patch for V5. I like the other features very much, though some of them were also broken in V5 such as navigating to an Outlook contact.
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rich_gt
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not going to comment any further on my thoughts about CP5 as whatever I say someone will disagree 
Has anyone tried the latest patch on the USA site 5.0.1.61 i think it is & has this made any change on CP's ability ( or inability) to determine the true shortest route? |
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rich_gt
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not going to comment any further on my thoughts about CP5 as whatever I say someone will disagree
Has anyone tried the latest patch on the USA site 5.0.1.61 i think it is & has this made any change on CP's ability ( or inability) to determine the true shortest route? |
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BMWBiker
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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I don't disagree, please feel free to comment.
I am using the latest USA patch 5.0.1.61 in the USA, and I also have the European map set. I think I am seeing the same problems seen in the UK, though it may be worse there.
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PONDEROUS
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I've been away again, so rich_gt's post to which I am now replying appeared many posts ago. rich_gt suggested that:
| Quote: | | the key to making waypoints work is the correct placement |
I suppose so; however, how is one to know where the "correct" placement is, or, for that matter, where all the "correct placements" are on a long journey? I said before that finding where to put waypoints involves fiddling around with CP 5 for as long as it takes to get it to take the desired route. Am I wrong? Does rich_gt have some means of recognising these correct placements? I have to say that I doubt it.
I also have to say that this appears to be yet another "this makes Copilot OK" offering. Once again, the answer to it is that it is entirely a matter for the users concerned if they want simpy to put up with Copilot's faults. It is not, however, a matter for them if others cannot put up with them.
The faults remain matters of fact. They also remain unresolved, either by any workaround or any other measure. Furthermore, as said in other words by others in some of the posts above, the purpose of waypoints is to choose specific routes, not to make up for faulty automatic route calculation. |
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PONDEROUS
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| Could I offer my apology to rich_gt for part of my most recent post. I see now that he was not seeking imply that all was well with CP 5. In fact, he has also acknowledged the need for Shortest routing to mean what it says. |
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rich_gt
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Apology accepted PONDEROUS :D
I would never say any software works 100%, in my experience there is always something that goes wrong with software ( you only have to look at the many versions of Windows & the history of problems). In principle CP5 is a good navigation tool, easy to use, good clear maps and if you can put up with Stephen Hawkins the directions are good.
I have come across problems while using CP, such as the routing issue that everyone has come across at some point. Safety camera alerts only seems to work if I go into POI options, untick & re-tick safety camera's before starting the journey (i'm using the latest pocket GPS World database) & on a couple of occasions CP has appeared to be slow at giving directions (this could be due to my Mitac Mio 168 PDA).
In an ideal world none of the above faults should appear, or should have been fixed via update as soon as they appeared, in the first release of CP5. Having looked in the forums for other navigation products it is clear to see that they too have issues with software. It may be a sad reflection on how consumers are treated by companies today but I have become resigned to the fact that I will never see a product that will make 100% of the people that buy it 100% happy.
I know this should not give companies like ALK the green light to produce & sell sub-standard products but in the great scheme of things the problems I have encountered while using CP have been minor. whilst I hope that these issues will eventually be resolved, I will continue to use CP5 and look forward to the day when all navigation software will get me to my destination using the shortest route  |
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