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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:29 am    Post subject: Driver Faces Fine For Speed Camera Warnings Reply with quote

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A driver has been reported for warning other motorists of an upcoming speed camera van.

It turns out that one of the vehicles he waved at contained a police officer. He was reported for obstructing the police.

An officer for Devon and Cornwall Police tweeted: "Driving waving frantically at our unmarked vehicle to 'warn' us of the camera van on the A30 is not the smartest move. The excuse was that he does not like speeders but he does not want them being 'caught' either!"

Alerting others about mobile cameras is an offence punishable by a maximum penalty of one month's imprisonment alongside a possible fine of up to £1,000.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so golden rule is to never warn other motorists of a potential obstruction
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confused No idea how you infer that Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Driver Faces Fine For Speed Camera Warnings Reply with quote

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Alerting others about mobile cameras is an offence punishable by a maximum penalty of one month's imprisonment alongside a possible fine of up to £1,000.

Does that equally apply to those who produce an app (and associated database) which is specifically designed to alert drivers about mobile cameras? :-)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it part everybody's civil responsibility to encourage other road users to slow down if they think they may be driving too fast?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are preventing an offence from being committed so how can you be punished for doing that? If you could prevent a murder/robbery/theft/assault is that punishable?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you're preventing an offender being caught, just like if you harboured a murderer.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sussamb wrote:
No, you're preventing an offender being caught, just like if you harboured a murderer.


How can they be an offender if they have not been caught and the crime has not yet happened?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the crime had 'not yet happened', then they wouldn't have been caught.

Your hypothesis holds no water at all. A crime can happen without a culprit being caught. Not being caught does not indicate that you are not an offender?

How many times have you exceeded the speed limit (inadvertently, of course) without being caught. You have still committed the offence regardless, and thus you are 'an offender'.

With a speeding offence caught on camera, the crime is being committed at the time, not 'about to happen'.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Highway Code, under rule 110, it states that drivers should "Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there".
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

M8TJT wrote:
If the crime had 'not yet happened', then they wouldn't have been caught.

Your hypothesis holds no water at all. A crime can happen without a culprit being caught. Not being caught does not indicate that you are not an offender?

How many times have you exceeded the speed limit (inadvertently, of course) without being caught. You have still committed the offence regardless, and thus you are 'an offender'.

With a speeding offence caught on camera, the crime is being committed at the time, not 'about to happen'.


So if a Satnav warns you of a speed camera, then the Satnav owner should be prosecuted. The vehicle travelling in the opposite direction containing the police officer should have been travelling within the speed limit and the other driver may have been warning them about approaching a danger zone. The danger zone being the speed trap area as we have all seen motorist suddenly and unexpectedly brake when they see a speed camera. As the police officer was not committing an offence by speeding or about to commit an offence, the warning served no purpose. No crime was committed by either driver!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it an extremely grey area.

Some forces apparently say that posting the location of a mobile camera on social media is an offence while others advertise the positions of their cameras regularly through local newspapers.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really simple, if you're warning someone of a speed camera it's because you're assuming they're speeding, therefore you're hindering the potential prosecution of someone breaking the law, that is an offence.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like others have said...
Surely if you're caught speeding the objective has failed as it didnít stop the offence being committed... more about generating revenue me thinks?
As the motorist was indicating another driver should slow down and/or beware of a hazard (regardless of why) they should be commended by the police and not charged with an offence.
In Slovakia (where I drive a lot) there are apps which report live police camera locations, the radio broadcasts them and people flash oncoming drivers... everyone slows down and are wary of their speed for a reasonable time afterwards. Slovakia only has a few fixed speed cameras.
Slovak police can hide behind signs, hedges and bins etc so thereís a real risk of being caught if you speed... and they will move their location thought the day.
Because of this drivers really do slow down obeying the speed limits through an entire area, town or village.
They also have days where the police openly forewarn drivers of a mobile speed camera blitz and everyone behaves impeccably.
I have to be honest and say I generally see less speeding in Slovakia than I do in the UK... thatís not to say their driving is better though!
Surely this is the whole point of speed cameras... to slow drivers down not catch them having already committed the offence?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I see a car speeding towards a Kojak with Kodak I just have a quiet chuckle.
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