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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:43 am    Post subject: 3000 Speed Through A9 Roadworks Reply with quote

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In the six months from May 20, over 3000 motorists have been caught speeding through roadworks on the A9 - reportedly Scotlandís most dangerous road.

The section, at Bankfoot, in Perth and Kinross, is monitored by average speed cameras, is part of the Scottish Governmentís dualling project and has had its speed limit reduced from 60mph to 40mph.

Most speeders were caught between 40 and 60 mph but four were caught between 81 and 100mph. However, 99% of drivers were found to be in compliance.

The road safety charity Brake commented: "Temporary speed limits around roadworks are put in place to keep those carrying out the works safe, so it is of great concern to see so many drivers caught speeding through them. Breaking the speed limit by any amount can have devastating consequences, and drivers who selfishly ignore speed limits put not only themselves, but other road users, at serious risk."
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if they will reveal the same for the M4 roadworks.

I don't see that many but there are a few.

A DPD van shot past me the other morning and I reckon he was doing at least 80 in the 50 zone.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3000 in 6 months is only about 16 per day, which is nothing special.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... and a 40 mph limit looks like scottish harshness, on what looks to be an easy sweeping main road, both on the map and on google streetview.

Unreasonable sporran speed limits are not good.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well they are a bit extreme up there. Take that wee lassie in a helmet as an example. Having said that, I don't think they are as extreme as some I could mention.
And they are going to need all the money they can get for their fiscal excesses when they get their (her) way and become independent under the EU but without English taxpayers' money
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M8TJT wrote:
Well they are a bit extreme up there. Take that wee lassie in a helmet as an example. Having said that, I don't think they are as extreme as some I could mention.
And they are going to need all the money they can get for their fiscal excesses when they get their (her) way and become independent under the EU but without English taxpayers' money


I find your post ignorant and misinformed at best, but it's verging on rascist.
Absolutely no need to drag the discussion to such a low level.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rf065 wrote:
I find your post ignorant and misinformed at best, but it's verging on rascist.
You may well disagree with another's opinion. But please give reasons, not insults. And if your spelling is not good, please use a spell-checker. And lighten up !! Be happy !
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the roadworks Specs cameras ..... I've been going through them at SatNav 50mph (Speedo 53mph) using cruise, since October without issue.

There have been quite a few who are gambling that the 10% + 2mph is still valid through Specs roadworks.

I wonder what the tollerance is, not that I would ever exceed true 50mph.

ps: I agree with dales
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kremmen wrote:
I wonder what the tollerance is, not that I would ever exceed true 50mph.
No reason to think that they don't use the standard tolerances for prosecution thresholds. Remember though, that Scotland doesn't do Speed Awareness Courses, so if you get done, it's definitely points and fine. And again specific to Scotland, doing over 100 increases your chances of a Dangerous Driving charge (whereas in England you actually have to be observed to be driving dangerously).

Cruise control is a wonderful thing in average speed zones. Adaptive cruise control even more so, as it'll slow you down when in traffic where the speeds vary up and down between 45 and 50-ish.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're probably right.

I'm doing speedo 53 so I'm passing cars doing speedo 50 (most of them) at a walking pace.

I'm in turn being occasionally overtaken at about the same walking pace by cars that must be doing about speedo 56 and the number doesn't seem to be reducing so they are likely escaping the brown envelope.

I'm not willing to gamble.

Even though the M4 doesn't touch Scotland Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graculus wrote:
Cruise control is a wonderful thing in average speed zones. Adaptive cruise control even more so, as it'll slow you down when in traffic where the speeds vary up and down between 45 and 50-ish.


I don't like driver aids such as cruise control, as it takes away driver awareness.
I like to make progress in roadworks, so adaptive cruise is useless, as it will just keep slowing you to a stop if you rely on following the vehicle in front.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kremmen wrote:

There have been quite a few who are gambling that the 10% + 2mph is still valid through Specs roadworks.


The problem with the 10% +2mph is in interpretation. I always thought (for example) 46mph was the absolute maximum limit in a 40mph (10% + 2), however, if you look at a lot of forces it is only 10% + 1 with enforcement at 10% + 2. I found this out when I got a (cancelled) NIP for 46mph in a 40mph "smart" motorway zone which I has misread earlier as 50mph.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the extra 2 or 3 minutes it may save ...... is it worth it ?

I must admit, I'm considering that me doing SatNav 50mph is a small gamble.

You never know whether a camera clocks me at 51mph and a jobsworth says gotcha
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

technik wrote:
I like to make progress in roadworks, so adaptive cruise is useless, as it will just keep slowing you to a stop if you rely on following the vehicle in front.
So you just drive over the top of the car in front that has stopped do you? Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying to make progress in any Specs zone often isn't possible because you tend to have all lanes travelling at, or very close, to the prevailing limit.

Then, as I've often found, you get the selfish driver(s) who are doing less than the limit, in the outside lanes and refuse to move over when clear.

End result is all lanes of traffic doing ~5mph under the limit and your boxed in.
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