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willmow
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| Quote: | | I think the slant which you give it, that PGPSW is at fault for not providing directional warnings, is quite wrong. |
You will see from my posts that I realise full well that PGPSW is not to blame, e.g. earlier I posted:
| Quote: | | BTW, is the fact that the PGPSW service is non-directional (through no fault of your own) explicitly stated on the website? |
I would venture to suggest, however, that the issue of directionality is important enough to merit an explicit, prominent explanation on the website. This would also raise awareness of the issue and could encourage users to contact the manufacturers in a bid to get them to change their ways - as I am about to do![/b] |
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M8TJT
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I think that the problem is that TT & Garmin et. al. treat the third party cams as 'ordinary' POI and as such you would want to know when you were approaching them no matter from what direction.
On the other hand, iGO derived stuff (there may be others) treat them specifically as speed cams, and know the direction of approach is important, so include the code to allow this and make this available to users. TT et.al. do not allow access to the directional code.
The point here is that I don't think that iGO has its own database, and relies on third party databases for their camera alerts.
Your quest to change the policies of TT et.al., I suspect will be met with total indifference as they want to sell their own database so why give away the directionality feature so that users can use other databases which are possibly better than theirs (I use the word 'possibly' with tongue in cheek). |
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willmow
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| Quote: | | TT & Garmin et. al. treat the third party cams as 'ordinary' POI and as such you would want to know when you were approaching them no matter from what direction |
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MaFt
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 11:50 am Post subject: |
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I totally agree that it's annoying but we can only work with what we're given. But do let us know if you get any response from them 
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Andy_P
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Is Garmin still non-directional? |
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| willmow wrote: | | It means you get twice as many warnings as you need to, resulting in 'warning fatigue' and unnecessary extra hassle due to non-existent POIs. |
Have to say, I find quite the opposite.
I think it's very reassuring to be able to see that every camera is in the PGPSW database. When I compare it to the built-in warnings on my satnav, I always wonder if the camera I just passed "on the other side" is missing or not.
The odd extra warning just serves to remind me to be aware of my speed which is no bad thing!
Anyway, I thought Garmins only gave an audible warning if you were actually over the limit..... 
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willmow
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Anyway, I thought Garmins only gave an audible warning if you were actually over the limit..... |
You may think that; I couldn't possibly comment, your honour.
(Anyway, that's another topic: I wish the satnav would simply point up the imminent POI (double bong) then leave it at that, instead of waggling that audio finger with all those pings. We are adults, after all.) |
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M8TJT
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Does not Ash10's thingy stop the repeated warnings? |
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willmow
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Re Ash10 - quite possibly
a) If I knew what it was
b) If I had the time to spend delving into the nuts and bolts
As it is, I seem to be spending far too much time fretting about satnavs when there's a family to feed, planet to save and soul to salve...
I'll research it at some point. |
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MaFt
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| willmow wrote: | | Quote: | | Anyway, I thought Garmins only gave an audible warning if you were actually over the limit..... |
You may think that; I couldn't possibly comment, your honour.
(Anyway, that's another topic: I wish the satnav would simply point up the imminent POI (double bong) then leave it at that, instead of waggling that audio finger with all those pings. We are adults, after all.) |
you can change the settings on the garmin itself. go to settings then proximity alerts and you can turn off the overspeed alert.
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willmow
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No "overspeed alert" on my Zumo 660. The Proximity Alerts page allows me to switch between "Garmin Safety Cameras" and "Custom POIs", while the Audio Notification tab gives three radio buttons: Single Tone, Continuous Tone and Off. I've switched mine to Off, but still get all the bongs and pings.  |
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M8TJT
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I was hoping that someone who knows something about Ash10's thingy would be provoked into either telling me not to be so stupid, or to explain that that's what it can do  |
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| Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| M8TJT wrote: | | Does not Ash10's thingy stop the repeated warnings? |
Not sure about Ash's but mine does :D
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| Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 6:23 am Post subject: |
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I wonder if TT or Garmin were to produce a unit that would allow third party POI's to be directional would they fly off the shelves ?
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M8TJT
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Probably not. I would imagine that it's only a small minority of people who understand about directional POIs.
| Kremmen wrote: | | Not sure about Ash's but mine does :D |
Then I'll have to have another ill informed poke to see if there is anyone out there who can tell the OP about Kremmen's thingy. |
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