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PaulWH
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:37 am    Post subject: Little Chef Reply with quote

I have just deleted the Little Chef at Brenzett, Kent and "The Cloud" wifi that was at the same location.

Having just checked the PGPS database I see that we still have 200 Little Chef's listed but according to Little Chefs own website there are now only 116 branches left after January's latest cull.

Can I respectfully suggest that this POI be cleaned up ASAP for the benefit of all.

Paul W. H
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The POI database is built and maintained from members' reports/submissions, just like this one of yours. Hopefully others will see this post and keep an eye out for changes to report.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the POIs are community run, who would you respectfully request does this? Rolling Eyes Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not suggesting any one individual does this.

The difficulty as I see it is that for someone to do a mass delete it not an easy task using the website and would you want an ordinary member doing this, I don't think so.

I have extracted a "Current" branch list from "Little Chef" and would do it myself if it was easier.

However as Dennis says hopefully others will see this post and act accordingly.

Paul
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a current list, it might be a good idea to contact our user Oldboy who I believe does the admin of the POI databases. He may be able to point you in a different direction than doing it by hand. My guess would be that he will be along here in a bit anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulWH wrote:
I am not suggesting any one individual does this.

The difficulty as I see it is that for someone to do a mass delete it not an easy task using the website and would you want an ordinary member doing this, I don't think so.

I have extracted a "Current" branch list from "Little Chef" and would do it myself if it was easier.

However as Dennis says hopefully others will see this post and act accordingly.

Paul


Thing is, (apart from Richard) there ARE only "ordinary members" dealing with the community POIs.

So these "others" who you think are standing by to do all the work, simply don't exist.
Usually I think someone just chooses to make a particular POI category his or her "baby" for a while, when it needs sorting out. That could even be you.

It's (usually) possible for an admin to do basic jobs like merging two categories together (isn't it, Mike? Laughing), but they wouldn't normally have time to research a huge number of actual changes to a category.

There's no "magic bullet" to convert a list of locations (usually postcodes) into an ACCURATE POI file. If you tried to do that, it would wreck any carefully positioned entries that were already there.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon the best way to do this would be to first download a list of Little Chefs from the PGPSW database (use the CSV format - it's easier to work with).
You can then look each of these up individually using a combination of Google Maps and the Little Chef web site (or their branch list). Google Maps will give you an approximate postcode which you can use to find the nearest branches on the official Little Chef list.

If you get a match, then you know that POI still exists. If not, consider using the submission page to put in a Request for Removal.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the OP's p[roblem was that it would take forever for one person to do that. Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm glad to say that the Little Waster that was at Chievley (or how you spell it) off the M4 near Maidenhead is gone from the DB. The last time I was there about 2 years ago the service (so called) took 15 mins to get a 'person' to the table and a further 20 mins for the food (?).

Do us all a favour and delete the entire POI from the data base.

Well, that's what I think.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

253 wrote:
Well I'm glad to say that the Little Waster that was at Chievley (or how you spell it) off the M4 near Maidenhead is gone from the DB. The last time I was there about 2 years ago the service (so called) took 15 mins to get a 'person' to the table and a further 20 mins for the food (?).

Do us all a favour and delete the entire POI from the data base.

Well, that's what I think.


Bob

Well, to enter a bit of balance, I've been an undecided and very infrequent customer of Little Chef. But a couple of weeks ago we stayed in the Travelodge at Saltash, near Plymouth and the breakfast we had in the LC was just about the best we've had anywhere.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It started undergoing big changes in 2008 after Heston Blumenthal got involved (Linky), so '253' might have just caught the end of the bad old days?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link Andy.
It would appear that was about the time of my visit - and also one about 5 months previous to a LC just off the M3 / A3, I can't remember now, about 5 of us on a ride out on the bikes.

The report on the link explains a lot, especially the bit about being 'run down' and 'minimal staff' because that was exactly my experience.

May be time to give them another go.

Bob
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly, I'll start off by saying that I like Little Chef. However it would be nice to see the price a little cheaper. Wink

PaulWH wrote:
Having just checked the PGPS database I see that we still have 200 Little Chef's listed but according to Little Chefs own website there are now only 116 branches left after January's latest cull.

I tend not to trust company info too much. Whilst the numbers of site quoted on the front page may be correct, the actual list (hidden somewhere else on the website) of active or inactive locations may not be up-to-date.

For the same reason, I don't trust POIs from companies about their own locations. This is because in the past I have downloaded POIs that have been incorrect and probably based on post code instead of actual location.

PaulWH wrote:
Can I respectfully suggest that this POI be cleaned up ASAP for the benefit of all.

This is why I think that it's always best to use PGPSW's own collection of POIs. When updates are submitted they always appear quickly for everybody to download.

So if you have PGPSW POI category loaded on your SatNav and notice an irregularity (i.e. new site not yet on the PGPSW POI, a site that has moved, or a site that has gone and that should be removed from the PGPSW POI) then please report it. That goes for all POI categories and not just Little Chef. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In an ideal world, Robert, you would be right. However, the POIs aren't updated as frequently by members as the speed cameras for instance. Some of the PGPSW POIs are, to be honest, woefully out of date. There are some categories representing companies which have been out of business for some time, so these can't be accurate. Examples include Borders, MFI, Thresher, and possibly Q8 petrol (I'm not 100% sure about this last one). I'm sure there are more.

As a further example, I have just finished going through all the Alliance & Leicester branches and ATMs, converting them to the correct institution. Alliance & Leicester hasn't been a brand since 2010. Believe me, there were a lot of these - it was clear that they just aren't being updated by PGPSW members.

Therefore, we have to rely on other sources of data to keep these POIs up-to-date. When Little Chef announce that they are closing many branches, and their own website appears to reflect the number of branches that they are keeping open, whereas PGPSW have almost double this number, I know which site I would trust.

I completely agree that we should be doing everything we can to encourage members to update all POIs that they know about (though Richard may have something to say about the extra work!) Currently, however, it isn't being done by enough people, so they have to be updated by other methods. Using company-supplied information is another way to improve the quality of our POIs.

Finally, while creating locations from postcodes is not an exact science, I believe the problem is overstated - in the vast majority of cases, the location is in the correct road, and in the correct approximate location. Using postcodes is a good way to set up POI Categories initially, and then trust that the members will adjust the positions over the course of time. Also, if creating POIs individually from postcodes, Google StreetView can be a good way of confirming locations (as long as we bear in mind that the photos are a little out-of-date, and don't use it as a primary source of information) - it means that some of the work can be done remotely without the need to visit each POI individually.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a full time job for somebody!

If the price is right, I'm offering! Very Happy
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