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Speed Camera Position Sharers Face Court
Article by: rob brady
Date: 11 Jun 2014
Ten people face court after discussing the locations of speed cameras in France.
The motorists, who shared camera locations on Facebook (the Facebook page has 9000 members), were shocked to receive summonses telling them they were due in court in Rodez, Aveyron, in September.
One of the accused, truck driver David Alegre, who admitted sharing the information, said "I am being treated like a radar detector."
His lawyer's argument is that communicating information about the position of speed cameras on Facebook does not fall under the French ban on speed camera detectors.
As of 5th January 2012 Speed Cameras Warnings have been illegal in France. However, 'Warnings for Dangerous Zones' are legal.
The French data is available as an option in the PocketGPSWorld.com European database. Unfortunately until satnav manufacturers open up the 'warning zones' to 3rd parties we cannot comply with the French law as we only provide set points.
Use of the French data from PocketGPSWorld.com is at your own risk.
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 Posted by sussamb on Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:22 am |
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Probably not easy to accomplish but could the set points not be converted into 'zones'? Bit like the average speed cam zones in the UK?
If so I assume that would comply with the French law?
Where there's a will ... there's a way. |
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| Posted by topbrass on Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:39 pm |
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I always thought the "politicians" argument for speed cameras was to save lives, hence them being constantly being referred to as "Safety Cameras"
If that is true, sharing information regarding accident black spots can only be a good thing in helping to save lives, or am I being naïve? 
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| Posted by MaFt on Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:38 pm |
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| topbrass Wrote: | I always thought the "politicians" argument for speed cameras was to save lives, hence them being constantly being referred to as "Safety Cameras"
If that is true, sharing information regarding accident black spots can only be a good thing in helping to save lives, or am I being naïve? |
Yes... In the UK!
This is France though... Different rules n stuff
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| Posted by Darren on Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:29 pm |
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| sussamb Wrote: | Probably not easy to accomplish but could the set points not be converted into 'zones'? Bit like the average speed cam zones in the UK?
If so I assume that would comply with the French law? |
But very few satnavs support zones for POI alerts.
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| Posted by Wazza_G on Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:40 pm |
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Would it not be possible to create a "Danger Zone Start" POI & a "Danger Zone End" POI?
So you get a warning for the commencement & termination points respectively. So in that way you know that somewhere between the commencement & termination points there's a camera!
And who's to define the length of the "Danger Zone", I mean a "Danger Zone" could be approaching a junction for example and conveniently there's a camera in there too... Odd that innit! 
Be alert.. This country needs more lerts. |
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| Posted by Darren on Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:44 pm |
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| Wazza_G Wrote: | | Would it not be possible to create a "Danger Zone Start" POI & a "Danger Zone End" POI? |
Most satnavs would have no concept of a start or end though? So on some you'd trigger a end POI alert and then a start at the end if you get what I mean. It's a nightmare and would be impossible to administer.
Darren Griffin |
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| Posted by Wazza_G on Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:07 pm |
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I think you misunderstood.
What I am suggesting is that you create a new POI category for EUM countries which have such a system.
So let's use a UK village just for an example:
Say that you have a speed camera in the village of Westcott on the A25, so as you approach the village name boards either side of the village, there's a chime & RED notification that you're entering a "Danger Zone", when you get to the other end of Westcott, where the other name board is for traffic travelling the other way, you get a chime & GREEN notification to say you're now clear of the "Danger Zone".
Surely it cannot be that difficult to create Danger Zone Start & Danger Zone End POI's?
Be alert.. This country needs more lerts. |
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| Posted by M8TJT on Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:21 pm |
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| Wazza_G Wrote: | | Surely it cannot be that difficult to create Danger Zone Start & Danger Zone End POI's? |
It sounds OK in the scenario that you describe in your example, but what about a stretch of road with a bunch of side turnings? Even in your example you would need an 'all clear' for those turning down Wescott Health. Someone was trying to adapt our database for the Holux (I think) and gave up because there were too many complexities.
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| Posted by Darren on Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:24 pm |
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And what about the many systems that have no concept of direction? That would mean they get a Red and Green alert going in and the same going out? And for every existing POI you'd then have, at a minimum, three more data sites, and, for other more complex areas, many more.
If it were as easy as you suggest we'd have done it. We've looked long and hard at it and can see no solution that we can implement within the constraints of the devices we have to support.
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