Err, so we should install lots of speed cameras in order to catch banned drivers?

Will they also catch drink and drunk drivers? Maybe they could also be adapted to catch burglars.

Dennis

If it tastes good - it's fattening.

Two of them are obesiting!!

Ah, my sarcastic point is that speed cameras don’t catch anybody EXCEPT speeders. The camera doesn’t know from beans whether a passing object is a drunken or banned driver or a burglar or an ill treated rabbit. So it doesn’t send anybody to jail, it just flags a speeding driver. If the responsible people (police) look up his record, they will then discover he’s banned, uninsured etc. Police will report or charge him accordingly. BUT in this case, I do wish it had been a police patrol which caught him, not his own actions betraying him.

Dennis

If it tastes good - it's fattening.

Two of them are obesiting!!

In other words - if the camera had not been there, he would not have been caught. Also if he had not been speeding he would not have been caught.

This case is not a reason to be glad for speed cameras, it’s a reason to bemoan the absence of police patrols.

Dennis

If it tastes good - it's fattening.

Two of them are obesiting!!

Unsure about patrol numbers, but the following stats are interesting is they can be believed:

FOI release 30077.

Total number of police officers in England and Wales.

As at Number of police officers
31 March 1959 71,692
31 March 1970 91,307
31 March 1997 125,051
31 March 2003 132,509
31 March 2012 134,100
Figures for 1997, 2003 and 2012 are provided on a full-time equivalent basis and have been rounded to the nearest whole number. Figures for 2003 and 2012 include police officers on career breaks and maternity/paternity leave whilst the figure for 1997 excludes these officers.
Figures for 1959 and 1970 were obtained from Home Office monthly returns of strength and vacancies. These monthly returns do not state whether the figures are on a full-time equivalent basis or whether they include officers on career breaks or maternity/paternity leave.

Apparently there are nearly 200,000 now.

Robert Brady

I wonder what the UK population was for the same years so a ratio can be created.

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At a guess, the population has increased by between 10 and 20% (50m to 60m - and I am NOT to be relied upon).

But my surprise is down to the regular statements that police numbers have been cut heavily, that savings have been and are continuing to be made and it all affects their ability to go out doing police stuff like catching criminals and keeping us all safe in our beds. Would it be only in the last five years that cuts/savings have happened? I wonder if those 'police officers' are all actual policemen and not back office civilians and PCSOs.

Dennis

If it tastes good - it's fattening.

Two of them are obesiting!!

Not a huge difference in the scheme of things:

1959 51,956,000 10 214.8
1960 52,372,000 10 216.5
1961 52,807,000 11 218.3
1962 53,292,000 11 220.3
1963 53,625,000 11 221.7
1964 53,991,000 11 223.2
1965 54,350,000 11 224.7
1966 54,643,000 11 225.9
1967 54,959,000 11 227.2
1968 55,214,000 11 228.2
1969 55,461,000 11 229.2
1970 55,632,000 11 230
1971 55,907,000 12 231.1
1972 56,079,000 12 231.8
1973 56,210,000 13 232.3
1974 56,224,000 13 232.4
1975 56,215,000 13 232.4
1976 56,206,000 13 232.3
1977 56,179,000 13 232.2
1978 56,167,000 14 232.2
1979 56,228,000 14 232.4
1980 56,314,000 14 232.8
1981 56,382,597 14 233.1
1982 56,330,706 14 232.8
1983 56,364,615 15 233
1984 56,435,179 15 233.3
1985 56,584,077 15 233.9
1986 56,750,920 15 234.6
1987 56,927,038 16 235.3
1988 57,095,731 16 236
1989 57,251,270 16 236.6
1990 57,410,719 17 237.3
1991 57,573,614 17 238
1992 57,735,940 18 238.6
1993 57,854,243 19 239.1
1994 58,005,687 20 239.8
1995 58,186,804 20 240.5
1996 58,344,567 20 241.2
1997 58,494,073 21 241.8
1998 58,680,368 21 242.6
1999 58,909,682 21 243.5
2000 59,139,969 21 244.5
2001 59,374,727 21 245.4
2002 59,601,520 21 246.4
2003 59,823,619 21 247.3
2004 60,126,953 21 248.5
2005 60,487,347 22 250
2006 60,846,809 22 251.5
2007 61,249,260 22 253.2
2008 61,642,600 22 254.8
2009 61,996,848 22 256.3
2010 62,348,447 22 257.7
2011 62,698,362 22 259.2
2012 63,047,162 22 260.6
2013 63,395,574 22 262
2014 63,742,977 22 263.5
2015 64,088,222 22 264.9
2016 64,430,428 22 266.3
2017 64,769,452 22 267.7

Robert Brady

A glance at the census figures shows roughly :-

1961 53 million
2011 63 million

I can't believe I was that close!

Dennis

If it tastes good - it's fattening.

Two of them are obesiting!!

So here goes my sums :-

1961 population 53 million, divided by 72K police = 1 officer per 736 heads.

2011 population 63 million, divided by 200K police = 1 officer per 315 heads.

Somebody please tell me I'm wrong.

Dennis

If it tastes good - it's fattening.

Two of them are obesiting!!

They probably need the extra manpower because when anything happens like a motorway shunt they turn up mob handed amd stay there all day.

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