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Reduced Motorbike Death Attributed To Mobile Speed Cameras
Article by: rob brady
Date: 13 Nov 2012
Mobile speed cameras could become a permanent feature as the number of motorcycle-related deaths has fallen since the start of a pilot scheme in Yorkshire last summer.
In 2010, the year before the pilot was introduced, 20 people died as a result of accidents involving motorcycles in North Yorkshire, though more than three quarters of these deaths may not have been speed-related. In 2011, "only" 11 bikers lost their lives and this year, so far, six have died.
North Yorkshire Police warn, however, that a number of motorists are still putting their lives at risk and continuing to flout the law.
During the pilot scheme, the number of fatal and serious injury crashes reportedly fell by 46% at identified sites. The number of collisions that caused fatal and serious injuries where speed was a contributory factor has fallen by 59%.
Following the pilot scheme, mobile safety speed cameras could be a permanent feature on North Yorkshire roads as part of the policing strategy.
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 Posted by mgibbs on Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:18 pm |
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Declining bike sales are no doubt helping the stats
Mark
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| Posted by MaFt on Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:30 pm |
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| mgibbs Wrote: | Declining bike sales are no doubt helping the stats
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Indeed! For stat's like this surely you would need a percentage of motorcyclists killed instead of just the number?
Last year 11 were killed - but there may have been 10,000 cyclists on the roads that year. This year only 6 (so far*) have been killed but if there were 5,000 cyclists then that actually means it's got worse...
* note they say 'so far' this year. We're coming up to the cold part of the year with icy roads making riding more hazardous - that could easily cause another 2 or 3 deaths. So basically they are comparing 2 different lengths against each other and not taking everything into account...
I'd love a job as a council statistician!!!
MaFt
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| Posted by d_e_s_m_o on Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:36 am |
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being a motorcyclist my self im sure youll find that the reason for this reduction is more likely to be due to the poor weather we have had over the las couple of summers than speed cameras
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| Posted by bcr5784 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:42 am |
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Firstly I don't wish to defend motorcyclists going too fast. HOWEVER I am very dubious about any mobile camera data for motorcycles because it is HIGHLY likely to be in error.
The problem is that police aim the speed camera at the rear number plate. Unfortunately the rear number plate is right next to the upper part of the back wheel, the top of which is travelling at TWICE the speed of the bike. So any slight error in aim is likely result in a highly inflated indication of the true speed.
I'm very surprized this hasn't been challenged in court - certainly the highly publicised case of the guy doing 135? with his son on the back looked extremely dubious - even just looking at the video.
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| Posted by jonrome on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:18 am |
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There is a total lack of science applied to the statistics when a drop in accidents is attributed to 'safety' cameras.
A drop can only be proved by removing the camera to see if the number increases. Ideally this shoild be repeated several times but of course the people responsible would never do this.
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| Posted by chimalsu on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:26 am |
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i too ride a bike,and the most likely reason for the figures is as in wales, if routes are notorious for plebs with cameras bikers as with car drivers out for a hoon will keep away and find another route.
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| Posted by ayh20 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:33 am |
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I just love the statement in the article ...
| Quote: | From 2008 to 2010, 36 people died in the county as a result of a collision where speed was a contributory factor. This equates to 24 per cent of all road deaths in York and North Yorkshire over the three years.
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Point 1 - For 76% of fatalities speed was NOT a contributory factor.
Point 2 - Note the use of the phrase "Contributory" ... so how many were there where speed was the primary factor ?
Point 3 - So what are they doing about the 114 fatalities ?
Speed, doesn't kill ... Sudden stops kill .... QED: Just don't stop !! |
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| Posted by Gurubarry on Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:21 pm |
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I don't suppose the wettest summer since records began had any contributing factor to these "Statistics" ?
How a hidden camera , that enables Police to post a ticket to your home makes one iota of difference to "Safety" is totally beyond me.
Makes a significant contribution to Local Authority Coffers is the real truth .
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| Posted by AntonM on Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:31 pm |
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Have they established a clear cause-and-effect link between the cameras and the fewer deaths, and is that link scientific and statistically valid?
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| Posted by M8TJT on Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:46 pm |
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| AntonM Wrote: | | Have they established a clear cause-and-effect link between the cameras and the fewer deaths, and is that link scientific and statistically valid? |
Probably not
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| Posted by MaDProFF on Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:00 pm |
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More clap trap stats, just an excuse to be able to set up a mobile camera anywhere, to benefit one thing and one thing only, their pockets
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