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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: navman maps include bridges not yet build
Hi just bought the Navman S50 quite impressed really simple to use quite impressed. One thing though about the maps, it tried to take me over a bridge thats not even built yet, its being constructed but far from finished. My previous Sat Nav maps used to be missing the odd new roundabout etc but never included any new roads etc that were not finished yet????
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject:
Unusual to see them having data that isn't live yet.
Still, we can only wait for the news story when someone tries to go over the "bridge" because their sat nav told them to. _________________ Gerry
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: Bridge that never was
Funny thing was the road leading in to the bridge being constructed was open for construction traffic, but there was a notice warning people. To be honest I know this section of road very well and was only testing the Navman as I had just bought it. Must admit I have to watch myself as I tend to put to much faith into Sat Navs when I use them and just blindly follow their commands especially in places I don't know so yes I was also surprised that the map includes roads etc not completed yet.
...And Google Maps ALSO shows the new route as being completed - i.e. the bridge over the culvert being the main road of the A9 now, and the little white local road (which is actually the current real road alignment) as being noting more than a local road.
58.13419 N by -3.61801 W being the co-ordinates.
Curiously, Google Maps shows the current road as a local thin white line on it, with the new road alignment still being built as the CURRENT route.
But Google Earth goes one further, and shows the whole new road route from Helmsdale north itself, different again.
This is going way o/t, but if you want to know more, if you are sad like me, then check out:
And view the slideshow of images. The last one, image 6, is the map, and shows you the distinct spur shape of the EXISTING route, which Google thinks is the old road, and a thus just a local road.
Beautiful part of the country this, albeit a long time since I was last there.
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: You guys are amazing
Hi Guys
Yes you guys are sad but totally amazing. Did not think anyone would bother about this wee blip on the Sat Nav map front!! Sorry about the speling mistake but us people from Thurso were never very strong at that.!!
Shadamehr Thanks for the link to that site , going to be a while the before the bridge is finished by the look of it. Actually Google maps have it right, the bit you speak about the wee local road is already finished. I have roughly updated the google map to show you the new road in red. You can find it http://www.toolpusher.co.uk/helmsdale.htm here on a website I have. (whos sad now )
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:04 am Post subject:
Why oh why do companies publish UK distances in km? as in 'It lies approximately 105 km north of Inverness and 70 km south of Thurso'. In UK it is the law to give road distances (on road signs) in miles
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject:
M8TJT wrote:
In UK it is the law to give road distances (on road signs) in miles
And WHY??? The only reason why is that when we went metric in nineteen nought blob, roads were not changed because it would have meant the government having to pay for all the road signs to be changed - it was OK for all of us to try and learn how many stupid things made an inch, a foot or a yard, but not the government. They'll put you in jail for selling lengths of timber in feet, but it's OK for them to stick with it. We still lay kerb stones in yards, only we call them 0.914 metres long! We still have 1" size stones to make tarmac, but we call them 28mm. _________________ Dennis
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: You guys are amazing
toolpusher wrote:
Hi Guys
Yes you guys are sad but totally amazing. Did not think anyone would bother about this wee blip on the Sat Nav map front!! Sorry about the speling mistake but us people from Thurso were never very strong at that.!!
Shadamehr Thanks for the link to that site , going to be a while the before the bridge is finished by the look of it. Actually Google maps have it right, the bit you speak about the wee local road is already finished. I have roughly updated the google map to show you the new road in red. You can find it http://www.toolpusher.co.uk/helmsdale.htm here on a website I have. (whos sad now )
Thanks
TP
@ Toolpusher,
Now there's a strange thing...
As my prior post mentioned, Google Earth, and Google Maps, are showing two different things - and I always thought they used the SAME DATA. Oh er. Google maps, on the web, shows the OLD, current route, as I understand it, albeit, until it comes to the spur or almost upside down letter U or V.
This is shown on your map/Google Maps as a local road - with the A9 now taking a straight, direct route avoiding this now. Are you saying that is correct now?
In terms of Google Earth however, it is already showing the full new direct route from Helmsdale, to join the A9 adjacent to this spur loop bit - the route that is being built, but not yet done.
Yes, we are sad, but hey, that's what Sat-nav, geo-tagging, and orienteering and map reading is all about for some of us saddos - it's always been a hobby of mine, map and satellite image reading.
@ Dennis, old moaner that you might well be (yours and other's descriptions, not mine, rest assured **), I have to say you so have it right with your post about metric and imperial.
Please bear in mind too, that as a result of exactly the point you make, not only is it confusing for you lot that understood Imperial, and now have to get to grips with Metric, but it's just as bad for the likes of me (35 years old) that was born AFTER Metrification I am given to believe, but whilst understanding mm, cm, metres, and kilograms, must ALSO try to get my head around people being weighted in Stones and Pounds still, and distances and speed being measured in miles.
So it's just as bad for both of us - perhaps me even more so, as at least you knew what Imperial was, and had metric brought in. I never even really new Imperial.
So your are exactly spot on - what a blithering, cheep-skate way of doing things, which is all the government did.
They didn't bring in Metric... they brought in a dual-format, confusing, and mixed up set of national standards, is all they did, it seems to little young me.
And as the EEC al but gave us back-door dispensation to continue with speeds and distances in miles for pretty much an open ended period, it's not something i see ever changing soon.
More likely we will join the Euro currency, long before we ever move over to speeds in MPH.
Curious side point though - trying to be modern or what, I cannot say, but I am almost sure that when our local Metro System (light-rail) was brought in around Tyneside in 1983, all the speed signs on the railway, are in KPH, not MPH. As these are not road signs, someone told me the relevant imperial measures law does not apply to a new light rail system such as this.
So our Metro, as best I recall, uses KPH for speed signs. What a mixed up mess - just like your post says!
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