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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I connected the Device through the computer and opened HOME. I asked HOME to copy the contents of the Card to my computer. It got about 70% done when HOME said that there was a problem, it cannot carry out an 'install' because something is missing. I took up the offer to send an anonymous report to Tomtom via HOME.

I have my original Tomtom SD card which now, also has the voice alerts downloaded onto it, from the umzipped Liz and Cheryl files. That original card will stay in the Tomtom Box as my safe backup.

The SD card is working in the Tomtom One XL Device. It has PGPSW voice alerts, which I downloaded on Saturday and unzipped . They work.

For now, I'll leave well enough alone.

It's late and I'm tired. Mistakes happen when people are tired.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you read my post from yesterday? as it doesn't say anything about using TT Home to perform a backup, to be honest I wouldn't trust it to perform a back up, here is yesterdays post repeated - Mike

mikealder wrote:
Have a read through FAQ #1 and #8 which detail what is needed to be done using a more reliable method than TomTom Home, the FAQ page can be found by clicking HERE - Mike
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Mike, yes I did read it, but by midnight last night I was so tired that I'd forgotten it.

I'm sorry.

I wasn't ignoring your advice; I was digging a bigger hole for myself Confused

I had intended downloading Gerry's enhanced Speed Camera icons, but at the moment I don't want to add anything else until the 'glitch' is discovered, rendered useless, and sent to the 'Glitch Bucket.' !!!

Now, I'm going to do a 'disk defrag' and a 'disk cleanup.' It seems to me and andy, and probably yourself that, the problem lies within my PC. I'll start with the obvious tasks first.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhumph wrote:
Hello Andy, I followed your 'route' from your 11.04pm message and the UK ROI map was copied from within the device and pasted into Desktop.

The Desktop UK&ROI folder was opened and I've gone from Thumbnails down the list to Details and every request has changed the folder itinerary into what I requested.


So a new copy/paste operation is working OK?

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I notice that there is a, United-Kingdom-and-Republic-of-Ireland, yellow Folder, which is showing empty when I hold the cursor over it.

Where is that? In addition to your main folder? Inside it? (It's so hard to get an idea of what's going on, when if you could SEE the other person's screen, it would be obvious!)

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The next question is, does the map that I copied and pasted come from the SD card in the Device, or from within the Device itself?


If you have a TomTom that has BOTH an SD card and internal flash memory, when you connect it up to the PC, Windows will recognise it as TWO new disk drives. It's usually obvious which is which by the names it gives them, but if not, I think I'm right in saying that the SD card is always the first of the letters in the alphabet. (just as an example, if you already had one fixed harddrive "C:" and two CD-R/DVD drives on your system, then the TomTom SD card slot would appear as "F:" and the internal memory as "G:"... your system may well be different).

If you have ended up with the same map in both places, there's no easy way to tell AFTER the event. You just have to choose the right location when you make the copy. If you are using an SD card then THAT will be the map and system files etc that are in use and so will be the ones you need to copy for your backup.

So, now you've done a test copy/paste that worked, can you try again, copying EVERYTHING from the SD card to the PC?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy, I believe the way it works is this: Windows assigns a drive letter when it first recognizes a new storage device. That device will always get the same letter whenever it's attached to the computer.

In my case, my TomTom 720 was assigned F: by Windows. It wasn't until a couple of weeks later that I bought a sd card for the unit. The first time I connected the 720 with the card to the unit, Windows assigned the new storage device recognized (my 4 gig sd card) the letter G:

If I had done the connection the FIRST time WITH a SD card installed, then, indeed, you are most likely correct in that Windows then would have assigned a drive letter to the card and then the next available drive letter to the unit itself.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, thanks for that correction, dhn.
Was I right when I said it's fairly obvious which is which from the default names, though?
(I can't tell as I've re-written the autorun.inf to use nice icons and sensible names (as per THESE instructions)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_P2002 wrote:
Ah, thanks for that correction, dhn.
Was I right when I said it's fairly obvious which is which from the default names, though?
(I can't tell as I've re-written the autorun.inf to use nice icons and sensible names (as per THESE instructions)


I use a different file manager (PowerDesk) than Windows Explorer. PD just refers to the two drives as F: and G: (no names or labels). I know I've clicked the wrong drive letter (GSmile when no sd is in it when a message appears that says "Please insert a disk....".
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That link I referred to to edit the .inf file is very useful for that. Whenever I connect up I now have and the words "TomTom SD card" and "TomTom Flash" next to the drive letters.

Don't know if it would work with your replacement file manager though!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello again. When the Device is connected to the PC it is always given Tomtom 'H.'

I use a 4 port hub. The USB plug always get pushed into the same USB socket in the HUB.

Having tried to copy the full SD card memory via HOME and not getting all of it copied because HOME said there is an 'install' problem, I wonder if I tried to copy all of the SD card memory into my hard drive, directly, it may cause problems in the hard drive? carrying the problem with it?

When I copied and pasted the UK-and-ROI map Folder to the hard drive, I put the Folder in Desktop. I opened the Desktop housed Folder with right click and Open, and the screen showed various yellow folders and files, these being the contents of the Map Folder I had just copied and pasted. The empty yellow Folder is one of the yellow folders that is included with all the other folders and files, which appear after I right click and open the UK&ROI Map Folder I that I sent to Desktop.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have a go at copying and pasting the SD card from the Device to a new folder in Desktop. I'll give the new Desktop folder a name which is nothing like any of the other folders I have in there. I want to avoid any conflict in using same names in folder copies.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhumph wrote:
Hello again. When the Device is connected to the PC it is always given Tomtom 'H.'

I use a 4 port hub. The USB plug always get pushed into the same USB socket in the HUB.


Is that a Powered or non-powered hub?

Using a non-powered hub is dangerous when used with more than 1 device when moving data or powering other devices as each device has to SHARE the single 5volt supply from the PC.

It's ok to use a powered hub ie one that has power supplied by a 5volt mains transformer plug, because each device connected is receiving it's own 5volt supply from the mains.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used the pc's spare USB port to copy and paste to the computer yesterday. I used the same USB port just now. The SD card has been copied to a new Desktop folder, and opened. The UK&ROI yellow folder has been clicked on to open and various yellow folders and files have appeared on my screen. I clicked on some files and folders to look at Properties and then I clicked on each in turn to open. No problem. BUT, once again, when I opened the UK&ROI yellow folder it opened to show various .bmp files, but almost immediately, the Microsoft warning appeared again, with the same statement about the temp file, which I typed in one of my earlier postings in here.
I used RegCure to scan and do any free repairs, and found that the pc has nearly 1000 faults.
I think that the Play.com SD card might be the cause of the problem. I do have the original TT1XL SD card which came with the device.
I suppose the next task is to try and copy and paste the original Tomtom SD card and see what appears on my PC's screen after pasting into yet another new folder.
The Play.com SD card works in the Device. So that is not a problem. But I'm now at the stage where I'm intrigued as to why a part of the d*mn thing won't open up when copied to another folder.

It's like losing something and while you're looking for it you realise that there is something else that is missing. You find what you were looking for, but now you can't settle until you find the second item, that you don't actually need right now.

My brain hurts..........
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The extra folder called "United-Kingdom-and-Republic-of-Ireland" is a bit of a mystery if it really is empty and is inside your "UK&ROI" folder. You could delete it if it worries you (and it really is empty), but it won't be doing any harm.

If you do as you said and just copy EVERYTHING to a new folder on your desktop (call it "TomTom new backup No1" or something), then swap sd cards and put all the contents of that folder back again (but not the folder itself), I think you'll find it works this time.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another option is to buy another SD card. Probably a 1Gb with a good write speed and one that has a good manufacturer's reputation.

Then copy and paste from my PC into it from the new folder I created this afternoon?

I know that recommendations for memory card manufacturers are not part of the admin's and moderators' functions, but a couple or three of worthy names would be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kingston and Sandisk are always well regarded.

I bet you'll find its all fine if you go back to the original card.

One thing... be very careful of using "repair" programs!
The files you are dealing with here are not necessarily "Windows" files. The TomTom uses Linux as its core operating system, so although you can happily use Windows to move the files about, Windows itself will often not know what they do, or worse, will think they are something else!!

The scariest example of that, is the TT's voice files. These use the extension ".chk" and nothing wrong with that...
But Windows uses that extension for a "recovered file fragment" (i.e. what's left when something has gone badly wrong). "Repair" programs often helpfully offer to delete all of those "useless" left-overs.
NOT a good idea.....
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