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proctog
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:19 am    Post subject: Thieves detecting GPS in cars? Reply with quote

Hi

Recently I've heard, from friends and, last week, on the BBC news, that thieves can use 'sophisticated tracking technology' to detect a sat nav device in a car, even if it's switched off and (say) in the glove box.

Is this possible? I would have thought a powered-down TomTom unit, or any of the others, wouldn't have been detectable.

Intrigued!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah...
The TT does not transmit anything recognisable as data, unless it is actively paired via bluetooth. Like any electronic gear it will "emit" radio frequency noise, but there's nothing the average thief could find that would specifically identify a sat nav, especially if it is on standby with the screen off.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_P2002 wrote:
Nah...
The TT does not transmit anything recognisable as data, unless it is actively paired via bluetooth. Like any electronic gear it will "emit" radio frequency noise, but there's nothing the average thief could find that would specifically identify a sat nav, especially if it is on standby with the screen off.


That's what I thought as well. Maybe the BBC should check their facts!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much the same being said Here. Someone has fired off a rude email to the Beeb.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

proctog wrote:
Andy_P2002 wrote:
Nah...
The TT does not transmit anything recognisable as data, unless it is actively paired via bluetooth. Like any electronic gear it will "emit" radio frequency noise, but there's nothing the average thief could find that would specifically identify a sat nav, especially if it is on standby with the screen off.


That's what I thought as well. Maybe the BBC should check their facts!

Glenn.
If you watch this, you'll see Inspector Ian Gayles of West Yorkshire Police telling us about the detectors (45 secs onwards)!

I've previously seen similar warnings about laptops. The "sophisticated electronics" can detect the batteries in your laptop/satnav/etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Load of rubbish, IMHO.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6325173.stm

BBC wrote:
Detective Sergeant John Agar from the force's vehicle crime team explains: "Thieves at the moment are using the latest technology, which can track a sat nav system even when it isn't on display in a vehicle.

"So, for example, if your car is parked up and the sat nav is locked in the glove compartment, thieves can still tell it is there and will break into your car for it."


Some people believe that TV detector vans can detect a TV in your house too.

I guess this is scaremongering to frighten people into removing their sat nav units, but it makes the West Yorkshire Police look stupid (and the BBC shoud get a kick up the bum for running the story with the quote in it too).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably got the date wrong. Thought it was April 1st. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it has substance.... In any radio receiver device ( inc. GPS) the incoming signal is 'mixed' with a local oscillator to produce a usable signal. A picture in the case of a TV and Music in the case of a radio. Same for a GPS- it produces data as a usable signal.
It is this local oscillator ( read transmitter) that can be detected by the TV detector vans. Same for a GPS.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chartman wrote:
I think it has substance.... In any radio receiver device ( inc. GPS) the incoming signal is 'mixed' with a local oscillator to produce a usable signal. A picture in the case of a TV and Music in the case of a radio. Same for a GPS- it produces data as a usable signal.
It is this local oscillator ( read transmitter) that can be detected by the TV detector vans. Same for a GPS.
When it is switched OFF?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they must mean that the BLUETOOTH can be searched for,just like on your mobile phone you can "search for devices"
the new tomtom's have bluetooth connection on them. Smile I keep my bluetooth switched off as i dont use it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike007 wrote:
they must mean that the BLUETOOTH can be searched for


Maybe true when you are using it, but Like BGF said:

Even when it is switched OFF ???
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doubtful but it depends whether off is a proper off or a standby type mode. I suspect the TT range off is a proper off though Smile

As to Bluetooth - (as pointed out in other posts) it is not the only signal pattern your PND will radiate... it is the only 'intentional' signal but as all electronic components to some degree or another emit low levels of electronic noise than by no means is bluetooth the only detectable signal.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not an expert here, but if I understand it correctly, if you totally turn off your equipment it will often loose all the data (as when the battery goes totally flat) so what people term as turning off is nothing more than putting in standby - ie it is still technically switched on and potentially detectable.

As I said, I am not an expert, but perhaps one could comment with authority rather than opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skippy wrote:

Even when it is switched OFF ???


The internal clock is still running though, so a GO is never completely off unless you use the reset button.
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