Gatso 2: Big Brother Will Be Watching You

Wannabyourhero · Occasional Visitor Joined: Sep 12, 2005 Posts: 51

despite being a very law abiding citizen with nothing to fear I do fear we are letting 'the state' take to itself powers that will in time enable it to control every citizen. We may currently have benign rulers but if 10 years down the road someone less interested in citizens rights comes to powers all he systems are there to rule in a very unpleasant way. As we pay the bills we should be controlling the state - it should not be the other way about. This is going to become a very unpleasant country to live in.

smarty5927 · Lifetime Member Joined: Nov 16, 2005 Posts: 13

Northernbloke · Occasional Visitor Joined: Feb 03, 2005 Posts: 55

yearnslow · Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject:

I'm not suprised at this revalation, and I'm afraid that it is just another manifestation of the absolute paranoia inherent in our society these days.

as far as catching 'criminals' goes, well, you need look no further than the gun legislation a few years back. since the introduction of the ban on self loading weapons and handguns, gun crime has risen out of all proportion, simply because the people who use guns for criminal purposes, don't tend to apply for a license or make themselves accountable.

it will be the same in this case, and us, the law abiding ones with 'nothing to fear' will get the full weight of the 'law' brought to bear on us, while the lawless will carry on as though nothing has changed, because it just won't affect them! and lets face it, we are easier targets.

this is just control for control's sake, and they are doing it because they can.

I don't like it!

smarty5927 · Lifetime Member Joined: Nov 16, 2005 Posts: 13

UsuallyLost · Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:22 pm Post subject:

cantgetlost · Frequent Visitor Joined: Nov 14, 2005 Posts: 291

I understood that these cameras started out checking flow of traffic. The number plate recognition feature picks you up as you travel any route. As you pass more cameras the computers work out the last point you passed and build a data base of how traffic is flowing. The systems "could be used" to monitor speed.
I have it on good autority that as the majority of us own mobile phones they can also pair up information and in an exstreme case place you in a particular vehicle. As your mobile phone moves around the signal strength is recorded by mobile networks, not only do they know where you are roughly. But if two or more people are traveling together with phones switched on police can ask for data of similar logging data. So If Mr A travels with MrB and Mrs C all with mobiles switched on, they can get a data base that plots signals of Mr C's phone and then ask for a record from the cells of the providers of phones with a similar profile. They can then know that the phones/people were virtually guaranteed to be together.
I have been told that at least 1 recent muderer was tracked this way and the link to his poor victim was made with mobile phone data long before the police got to him. The poor victim was reported missing and the police asked the phone company for the record of her mobile phone and a record of phones in the area her phone had been in before reported as missing. When the computers threw up a record that matched hers, they then had a phone and person to track.
If that person is driving a car registered to him, they can use camera database to find when and where roughly he travelled to as well as tracing his phone to cells.
In theory this means that if they record where your car goes, that if you travel with a mobile switched on at any time during a journey you can be plotted with a certain degree of accuracy to the vehicles whereabouts!

alFR · Occasional Visitor Joined: Aug 11, 2004 Posts: 27

"I am sure the data will only be used/analysed for crime related incidence."

Hahahahahaha.

cantgetlost · Frequent Visitor Joined: Nov 14, 2005 Posts: 291

As GPS gets cheaper you can't claim to have "got lost". and with road cameras and mobi in your pocket they can find you and your vehicle or prove where you were.
So we will soon have few police and virtually no crime :-)
No doubt Chairman Tony will have us all fitted wih a GPS tracker system on are heads soon.

Fat_Jez · Occasional Visitor Joined: Oct 31, 2005 Posts: 18

Mobile phone networks do not automatically log all location updates or signal strengths or the amount of data they need to store would be massive. The only times that a network can say with certainty which cell a customer was using is when they a) location update, b) send/receive and SMS or c) make or receive a phone call.

Now, if the police were taking a "special interest" in a particular customer, they would probably have access to this sort of information, but not otherwise.

Cheers,
Jez

awdriver96 · Occasional Visitor Joined: Jan 02, 2005 Posts: 18

Its ok for pc -mobile in hong Kong to praise this, he doesnt have to live with it. The simple fact is this government is control carazy and wants to dictate every facet of our lives. So the implementation of all these measures is rammed through without thought. There are better and simpler ways to achieve all these things but they dont lead to control or raising revenue. the Americans solved this years ago, you have to buy your number plates each year and the only source of the special aluminium with a trace element and stamp in it are unique and unavailable on the market, all plates are made in the jails by prisoners and issue by the government, no copying and no pay no drive! etc etc. I amseriously considering the emigration route as this country is definitely a less pleasureable place to live in the last ten years. I have always been the one to say its the best place in the world but not now!

druck · Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:58 am Post subject:

mickyricky · Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Number Plate Recognition

You might be interested to know that the only reason the (suspected) killers of a WPC in my home City of Bradford have been arrested so quickly (if at all) in London is that their car number plate was logged on the number plate recognition computer system currently being trialled in Bradford, and which is already running in London. If there never was another such instance it would already have been proved worthwhile as far as I am concerned.

ticex · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:58 am Post subject:

I read about this system last week and really find it shocking. I can understand the benefits but the violation of everyday people's privacy is too much in my opinion.

If they truly wanted to clamp down on uninsured drivers the simplest way is the system used abroad for countless years - everybody has to carry original driving license, vehicle registration papers and insurance with them at all times while driving. This means you take a big risk in an uninsured/taxed car as there is always a small chance you will be pulled over or checked for whatever reason. In many countries numberplates can only be issued by the government so this tackles the problem of fake license plates. In my opinion this is a far better solution IF your objective is to tackle drivers without insurance etc..!

Personally, I suspect this system is the start of a big trial for this toll charging system we all keep hearing talk about. I expect in the not too distant future we will all have no option but to drive at exactly the speed limit everywhere and be charged for every mile driven. Having a car is not much fun anymore - well that is unless it is registered in another country!

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