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Joined: Oct 04, 2005 Posts: 160 Location: Highlands of Scotland
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject:
dougconran wrote:
I have no problem whatsoever with not allowing punters to sell on something they got for free (PGPSW please note :D ) but if I've paid for something (and as far as Windows is concerned I certainly HAVE paid for it, even if the cost was bundled into the hardware purchase) I think that I should be allowed to sell it on to recoup some of my initial outlay, even if it is only the 'licence to use' that I'm selling on.
I suspect that any such licence restriction would be unenforceable in law plus I'm sure it must infringe my Human Rights in some respect.
Copyright licence restriction would be unenforceable in law????
I think you will find find that Copyright infringement is wholly enforeable in law. Check how many file sharing web sites are being forced to change or close.
Human rights infringement. What about the rights of the poor sods that do all the research and hard work that brings us a free service. Don't they have any rights????
Problem for I3 users is that some of the Icons are in the wrong format and the necesary files in the download are all in the wrong places, not in the same dir as required. At least one of the file names (????_var) also needs changed if you want to use express mode to upload the data and have the proximity alerts work.
I've not used MAFTs download myself but I presume he wrote some utility to acompany PGPS data and move the PGPS files about on your PC and replace the duff icons with alternate ones. Thats all perfectly good and does not infringe on PGPS but its probably about time someone contacted PGPS and told them how we would like out files + sent them a set of good I3 bmps and a README.txt so there could be a separate I3 speedcamera download on this site that anyone could use.
P.S.
I have a realy good set of .bmps that I created myself for use with the I3.
Joined: Oct 04, 2005 Posts: 160 Location: Highlands of Scotland
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject:
gcb wrote:
The PGPS speed camera DB is excelent.
However:
Problem for I3 users is that some of the Icons are in the wrong format and the necesary files in the download are all in the wrong places, not in the same dir as required. At least one of the file names (????_var) also needs changed if you want to use express mode to upload the data and have the proximity alerts work.
I've not used MAFTs download myself but I presume he wrote some utility to acompany PGPS data and move the PGPS files about on your PC and replace the duff icons with alternate ones. Thats all perfectly good and does not infringe on PGPS but its probably about time someone contacted PGPS and told them how we would like out files + sent them a set of good I3 bmps and a README.txt so there could be a separate I3 speedcamera download on this site that anyone could use.
P.S.
I have a realy good set of .bmps that I created myself for use with the I3.
THey obviously been on the case but I downloaded the October files I seem to recall I still had to move the REDLIGHTS and _TMP , _VAR files from one dir to another?
Gee, these "Speed Cameras" seem to cause quiet a stir. Speed limits arent so bad in the UK and distances aren't that huge, why do so many people need to speed?
anyways, here is an excerpt from Microsoft regarding software licenses and ownership for those who seem to have a hard time understanding the simple concept:
Owning software is different than other types of ownership. Because software - although often distributed on media such as CDs - is not a physical commodity, it is considered intellectual property. Ownership of such property is controlled by license agreements. Software licenses are legal documents describing the proper use and distribution of the software, as intended by the manufacturer, and provide the manufacturer with the revenue necessary to continue producing the software, and offering the service and support legitimate users depend on.
Also, one person suggested Microsoft pre-installed OEM software (such as Windows) are meant to be installed on only one HD. That's just plain mis-information dude! I dont know where you got that but I've had at least two ocasions of laptops having a failed HD under warranty and I was sent a replacement HD and instructed to reinstall my copy of Windows from the recovery CDs. Also, if you read the EULA supplied with an OEM Windows XP it says clearly that the software is meant for the original "System" not the original HD.
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15138 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:15 am Post subject:
payam81 wrote:
Also, one person suggested Microsoft pre-installed OEM software (such as Windows) are meant to be installed on only one HD. That's just plain mis-information dude! I dont know where you got that but I've had at least two ocasions of laptops having a failed HD under warranty and I was sent a replacement HD and instructed to reinstall my copy of Windows from the recovery CDs. Also, if you read the EULA supplied with an OEM Windows XP it says clearly that the software is meant for the original "System" not the original HD.
Joined: 30/12/2002 17:36:20 Posts: 4912 Location: Oxfordshire, England, UK
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject:
Hi payam81,
payam81 wrote:
Gee, these "Speed Cameras" seem to cause quiet a stir. Speed limits arent so bad in the UK and distances aren't that huge, why do so many people need to speed?
May I enquire where you live? I’m guessing that you don’t live in the UK as you use quote marks around the phrase speed cameras, you also state that speed limits aren’t so bad in the UK and that distances aren’t that huge.
I’m going to guess that you either live in the USA (or Canada), or Australia. I’m going to go for North America.
In the UK we have a large number of speed cameras, and a lot of roads in the last few years have had their speed limits reduced to 30 mph from a more realistic 40 mph, 50 mph. We don’t see the police about so much as the powers-that-be have spent the money on cameras and not police that are multi functional.
In the UK if a camera catches you, it’s an automatic minimum fine of £60.00 plus a minimum of 3 points on your driving licence. The points are valid for 3 years on your driving licence and may be removed after the 4th anniversary. If you get 12 points on your driving licence then you are disqualified from driving for a period of time. As public transport in the UK is very poor, no driving licence can mean no job, which means you default on your mortgage, which means you lose your house. OK extreme I know, but it can happen.
As for distances not being that huge, when compared to driving in larger countries they are not physically that big, however the UK distances are much more stressful. I’ve not been to North America, but I have driven all around Australia. I’ve driven journeys in excess of 600 miles in Australia and when I have stepped out of the vehicle I have felt less tired and stressed than I would if I’d driven only 100 miles in the UK.
Regards, _________________ Robert.
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Joined: 24/06/2003 00:22:12 Posts: 2946 Location: Escaped to the Antipodies! 36.83°S 174.75°E
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject:
payam81 wrote:
Gee, these "Speed Cameras" seem to cause quiet a stir. Speed limits arent so bad in the UK and distances aren't that huge, why do so many people need to speed?
People don't need the camera alerts because they are speeding, they need them so they can take extra care at the accident black spots where the cameras are located.... _________________ Gone fishing!
I was just j/k around with you guys a little bit . Yea I live between Toronto and Los Angeles. You know, I'm wondering if they REALLY wanna tackle the problem of speeding, wouldn't it be better to spend the money on Driver Education instead of speed camera?
Seems like Germans got this part right! I know in Germany if you wanna get a drivers licence you can easily end up paying US $1000 for various classes and fees so that makes your license very precious. At least that's how it used to be.
Now a little off topic 8) :
MaFt:
Yes, I know a system shoud be defined but they fail to do so in the EULA supplied with OEM Windows XP Pro that came with my IBM. I understand that different OEMs could ammend the EULA and add their own restrictions, i.e. Lock the software to the original HDD, but AFAIK IBM, HP, Fujitsu, Dell don't have these restrictions and they issue a license on behalf of Microsoft for use on the OEM machine.
Joined: Oct 30, 2005 Posts: 33 Location: Wiltshire
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject:
Privateer wrote:
In the UK if a camera catches you, it’s an automatic minimum fine of £60.00 plus a minimum of 3 points on your driving licence. The points are valid for 3 years on your driving licence and may be removed after the 4th anniversary. If you get 12 points on your driving licence then you are disqualified from driving for a period of time. As public transport in the UK is very poor, no driving licence can mean no job, which means you default on your mortgage, which means you lose your house. OK extreme I know, but it can happen.
was looking into getting mine removed, but it costs money for them to do so?????
tis a joke.
More plod and less camera's please. :D
Joined: 22/11/2002 13:33:48 Posts: 992 Location: Surrey, UK
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject:
gcb wrote:
THey obviously been on the case but I downloaded the October files I seem to recall I still had to move the REDLIGHTS and _TMP , _VAR files from one dir to another?
Why not help and state clearly what the format should be. I certainly will not alter anything after reading these threads.
Richard _________________ Various TomToms, Garmin eTrex Legend, GPSMAP 60CSx, Oregon 550t, Forerunner 405
Joined: Oct 07, 2004 Posts: 175 Location: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:42 am Post subject:
Privateer wrote:
... If you get 12 points on your driving licence then you are disqualified from driving for a period of time. As public transport in the UK is very poor, no driving licence can mean no job, which means you default on your mortgage, which means you lose your house. OK extreme I know, but it can happen.
It's actually not quite as extreme as you might think. Magistrates are explicitely required to disregard the likelyhood of losing your job when determining the length of disqualification. All you can do is to plead that someone unconnected to you will be adversely affected.
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