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Egor
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:51 am    Post subject: London Cabbie and TomTom Go Reply with quote

Ok I bought one of these at the weekend and here are my thoughts

1. Great portability.

2. Easy to use the wife should have no trouble Rolling Eyes

3. Love the fact that you can add POI's aka speed cams.

4. GPS signal in Lonodn is OK but not brilliant especially around the City and West end. I guess GPS just don't like multi storey buildings. BUT a London taxi has a very slight slope on the wind screen and so the edge of the roof is close to the top of the TT's field of view maybe this is a factor, although more open space it's fine. Do any of you London car users have signal probs ?

5. Routing Ah. This is where it gets let down in my opinion. Did a basic route From Shoe lane EC4 to Cabbell St W2 and for some reason the TTG just would not go down the Marylebone Rd no matter how many times I told it to recalculate. Instead I got a route via the top of Regents Park and routes cris- crossing the Marylebone Rd. Strange.

Now I know that as a cabbie I'm not going to follow TTG advice. As the idea of GPS is to help peeps in unfamiliar territory. So why did I buy one after all I did the knowledge. Well I find the POI's great ie speed cams. Plus on the odd occasion I go out of the London area then the GPS comes into it's own, and £420 it was worth a punt as opposed in car systems at £1500. I find it particularly useful at 1am when your in the middle of no where and need a petrol station asap, or want to get routed home without get the maps out of the boot.

I would have maybe got the Navman ICN510 as I understand that you can adjust the routing a little eg preferred roads but I use an Apple mac and I know from the helpful peeps on here that the TTG can work with a mac. Plus TT may update to this feature you never know.

Egor

(Let me throw the switch master ! No. Leave the bloody light switch alone for once)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding loss of signal, perhaps you can get an external antenna for your GO. They are usually magnetic and can be stuck to the roof, and do give a better signal. Don't worry, the antenna is very unobtrusive so you won't look like an illegal minicab Gun Shoot Out .

Just for a comparison, I put your Start and End into my device running SmartST V3 (it's not an iCN510, but I'm sure the data is the same and I'm guessing that the software is very similar in terms of routing) and it sent me along the A40 through Holborn, then up Tott. Court Rd, along Marylebone Road and down Old M. Road and finally right into Cabbell Street. As a cabbie, how would you do this in reality, or does it depend on time of day, traffic density, what your missus put in your lunchbox, etcetera?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim Buxton wrote:

Just for a comparison, I put your Start and End into my device running SmartST V3 (it's not an iCN510, but I'm sure the data is the same and I'm guessing that the software is very similar in terms of routing) and it sent me along the A40 through Holborn, then up Tott. Court Rd, along Marylebone Road and down Old M. Road and finally right into Cabbell Street. As a cabbie, how would you do this in reality, or does it depend on time of day, traffic density, what your missus put in your lunchbox, etcetera?


I'd probably go that way, except not along Holburn and Tottenham Crt Rd. Instead via Grays Inn back of Russell Sq/Gorden St then L onto the Euston Rd. Marylebone Rd is good as there is a 24hr bus lane that cabs can use so it's quick for most of the time.

Again on the way home tonight the TTG refused to use the most odvious route. I was south of the Blackwall Tunnel and I live in Hornchurch. The TT wanted me to go on A2/M25 dartford tunnel M25 and A127 some 30 miles. When through the Blackwall A13/Marsh Way/Cherry Tree Lane to Hornchurh is about 7 miles. So whats that all about ? The routing algorithum I think does need sorting out.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a Go, but am using TomTom Navigator 3 on the Pocket PC. These two programs have different routing engines and map versions (Navigator 3 is older than either of the two Go map releases). That said, I'm getting more sensible results for some of the routes you've mentioned than you clearly are; I'm not unfamiliar with much of Central London north of the river myself, though I've hardly got "the Knowledge".


Are there any routing preferences in Go - particularly a 'strict' option? Choosing this makes Navigator 3 take rather more care over its routes, though the cost is that route calculation takes rather longer.

Further, it sounds as if Go may be preferring major roads a little too much for your needs - if you have tunable speeds for different roads types, it may be worth a bit of experimentation.



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DavidW wrote:
Are there any routing preferences in Go - particularly a 'strict' option? Choosing this makes Navigator 3 take rather more care over its routes, though the cost is that route calculation takes rather longer.

Further, it sounds as if Go may be preferring major roads a little too much for your needs - if you have tunable speeds for different roads types, it may be worth a bit of experimentation.

There are no options to tweek the routing preferences. This was deliberate on the part of TomTom who told us that due to customer feedback they wanted to create a navigation package with minimal configuration as they had significant feedback from thier existing customer base. I suspect that this was a small percentage of users who had messed the settings up in TomTom 2 or TomTom 3 and this was the benchmark for creating the new navigation engine. So now their support group are no doubt getting calls asking when the missing functionality will be in the product rather than how to reset to the original settings

The Go/Palm/Mobile/2004 software very definatly favours motorways over main roads over ...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are no options to tweek the routing preferences. This was deliberate on the part of TomTom who told us that due to customer feedback they wanted to create a navigation package with minimal configuration as they had significant feedback from thier existing customer base...


Well I think the lack of route options is an oversight IMO. I mean if you don't wanna fiddle with settings just leave them set on 50%.

If I find out that I can use a mac with the Navman 510 I may well change over to it. Not that I think that the TTG is a bad product but a good product let down by a minor flaw that could so easily be rectified. The only thing that puts me off the 510 is the speaker which on the TTG is excellent even in the front of a noisey London Taxi.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Navman's iCN510 Support page here, you can't use the 510 with Virtual PC, but according to users' comments in this thread which you've probably already read, it is! I've emailed Navman for clarification.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:06 pm    Post subject: routing Reply with quote

egor

i have always said how bad the routing is on the tomtom go....it is much better on tt2 on the pda......dont know why tomtom have got it so wrong this time.....
dont go on this forum much now as i was sick and tired of all the tom tom go lovers keep having a go.....
ive always said its a good piece of kit for getting you to your destination if you have no idea where you are but once you know the area abit you then find out that it takes you all around the houses to get you there
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:11 pm    Post subject: navman icn510 Reply with quote

would love to try the navman 510 just to compare......also if you stick with the tomtom go you will also have to put up with some of the worst customer services i have ever dealt with......promises after promises but never delivered.......
just look at the people still waiting for cases after three months
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are no options to tweek the routing preferences. This was deliberate on the part of TomTom who told us that due to customer feedback they wanted to create a navigation package with minimal configuration as they had significant feedback from thier existing customer base. I suspect that this was a small percentage of users who had messed the settings up in TomTom 2 or TomTom 3 and this was the benchmark for creating the new navigation engine. So now their support group are no doubt getting calls asking when the missing functionality will be in the product rather than how to reset to the original settings


Wouldn't it be a good idea if TomTom had an option to run the Go in two modes:
Easy mode - As it stands at the moment (for beginers).
Expert mode - Lets you configure the types of roads to use, speeds etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the way Sprite have gone with recent versions of Sprite Backup - it starts up by default in a Basic mode, but you have the option of switching to Advanced mode.

A simple mode selected by default, together with a button to reset any advanced options to their defaults, should lead to the best of both worlds. It would be a shame if people changing the settings from the defaults then contacting TomTom with stupid questions led to NavCore based systems never getting the same configurability as Navigator 2 / Navigator 3.



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim Buxton wrote:

Just for a comparison, I put your Start and End into my device running SmartST V3 (it's not an iCN510, but I'm sure the data is the same and I'm guessing that the software is very similar in terms of routing) and it sent me along the A40 through Holborn, then up Tott. Court Rd, along Marylebone Road and down Old M. Road and finally right into Cabbell Street.


I've just tried the same thing in my Go ( with map 390, software 4.40 ) and it chose the same route ( High Holborn , TCR , Marylebone Rd ).

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildcard wrote:

I've just tried the same thing in my Go ( with map 390, software 4.40 ) and it chose the same route ( High Holborn , TCR , Marylebone Rd ).
Geoff


Yep tried this again on the Ato B mode and I did get the same route as you this time. But when I was on shoe lane the TTG just wouldn't have it. Strange Confused

Mark

PS my version is 4.42
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