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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:02 pm    Post subject: Jeremy Clarkson Says Speeding Makes You Clever Reply with quote

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Jeremy Clarkson, eh? Whether you love him or hate him, his opinions tend to make the news. This time it's the subject of speed and speed cameras.

In an article in The Big Issue, TV's Grand Tour presenter, Clarkson says that he doesn't like the act of travelling.

He says: "The reason I like fast cars is because you get the travelling over as quickly as possible. So I don't really like speed limits and speed cameras. The more time you spend at 50mph the more pollution you're creating – obviously."

He then ups it a gear and goes straight into proper Jeremy Clarkson mode: "The faster your car the more intelligent you're going to be because you'll learn more stuff and see more things and meet more people and have more experiences. Speed makes people clever, that's the essence of it, and that's why I like fast cars. If somebody dawdles they're sitting in the car listening to The Archers, their mind rotting away as they look out for speed cameras, whereas someone who goes like the clappers is having a better life."

He then adds: "I'd rather have an actual policeman than a camera. A speed camera can't tell whether you've got insurance, whether you're drunk, whether you smoked 300 tonnes of Lebanese gold, it can only tell speeding. I'd far rather have a policeman who can say, ‘You were doing 85 but it doesn't really matter because the motorway was quiet and you're sober and your car's in good nick'. A camera doesn't differentiate any of those things – well some can now. A camera is just a cash machine for the government, but everybody knows that."

Clarkson doesn't appear to remember that he once argued that speed cameras were not a stealth tax due to the low revenue they earned the country.

He suggested that just one individual, namely Simon Cowell, pays more revenue to the country's coffers than all its speed cameras put together. Jeremy Clarkson, eh?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clarkson has obviously never taken or trained for the advanced driving test.

One of the first things they tell you is that one of the objects of advanced driving is to arrive at your destinstion as relaxed as you started out even if it takes just that little bit longer.

Driving too fast for conditions and limits has you continually watching out for hazards, police, cameras, etc and is very tiring as you continually switch your viewing from front to rear, right to left, windscreen to speedo, and so on round the circuit.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of the first things they tell you is that one of the objects of advanced driving is to arrive at your destinstion as relaxed as you started out even if it takes just that little bit longer.

Yes - but they also expect you to "make progress", and to drive at the speed limit where appropriate.

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Driving too fast for conditions...

... is often an entirely different thing to driving within the posted speed limit, which is frequently set at a level which has nothing whatsoever to do with road safety.

One of the big problems with advanced motoring organisations (and yes, I have passed the IAM test) is that they preach "driving to the conditions" and they also preach "absolute adherence to the law", despite the two things often being in conflict.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philip wrote:

One of the big problems with advanced motoring organisations (and yes, I have passed the IAM test) is that they preach "driving to the conditions" and they also preach "absolute adherence to the law", despite the two things often being in conflict.


(EDITED TO GET THE COLOUR RIGHT - DennisN)

I'd love to see you give an example of this? I too am an advanced driver having passed numerous advanced driving courses, and have a 'blue light' qualification. I've driven rapid response cars for many years. When would 'driving to the conditions' conflict with 'adherence to the law'?

Or are you simply one of those drivers who feel you know better and are suggesting you should, for example, drive faster than the posted speed limits? I've scraped many of those off the tarmac when the inadequacies of their supposed 'skill' became apparent.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone who is an advanced driver and thinks that breaking any legal limit is OK then they should resign from the AD scheme and join the Jack the lad one instead.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't passed IAM. I haven't trained to drive with blue lights on. I haven't trained to post comments in blue to make them stand out from the plebs. My van is not exempt from the speed limits.

I just stick under the speed limits - doesn't need any special extra training or passing - I just look out the window at the speed limit signs, then look at my speedometer and stay under whatever it is. Nice simple system within the capability of my low intellect.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or are you simply one of those drivers who feel you know better and are suggesting you should, for example, drive faster than the posted speed limits?
Can we safely assume that's a rhetorical question?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kremmen wrote:
One of the first things they tell you is that one of the objects of advanced driving is to arrive at your destinstion as relaxed as you started out even if it takes just that little bit longer
But you don't learn much whilst driving. If you get there quicker, you have more time available to learn new stuff. Provided you actually get there.
I am a great believer that if you are going to jump a red, then do it a t high speed as you are exposed to the danger for less time. ergo, safer. Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need training how to post comments in red to stand out from the plebs who don’t jump red lights.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sussamb wrote:
Or are you simply one of those drivers who feel you know better and are suggesting you should, for example, drive faster than the posted speed limits?
Can we safely assume that's a rhetorical question?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd love to see you give an example of this? I too am an advanced driver having passed numerous advanced driving courses, and have a 'blue light' qualification. I've driven rapid response cars for many years. When would 'driving to the conditions' conflict with 'adherence to the law'?

Driving down a deserted motorway in good weather conditions at 71mph - or even faster.

Advanced motoring is about making appropriate risk assessments and driving within risk appetite. This is at times in conflict with driving purely in compliance with the law, but a lot of people don't understand this, why is why they conflate "driving outside the posted speed limit" with "driving at speeds which are inappropriate to the conditions", when these are frequently different things.

The government's own statistics show that only around 4% of fatal accidents are down to excessive speed, so presumably 96% of the people that you "scrape off the tarmac" (lovely emotive phrase, that. Do you use a shovel, or a spade or something else?) are down to other factors. What are you doing to evangelise about those 96%?

(As an aside, and not just aimed at you, I find it hilarious - and incredibly hypocritical - to find the "holier than thou" brigade who apparently never, ever exceed the speed limit, posting many thousands of times on a web forum whose primary raison d'etre is to assist people to avoid speed detection devices!)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you use a shovel, or a spade or something else?) are down to other factors. What are you doing to evangelise about those 96%?
I would suspect that a hosepipe is used not infrequently, especially in car v motorbike RTCs
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Philip wrote:
sussamb wrote:
When would 'driving to the conditions' conflict with 'adherence to the law'?

Driving down a deserted motorway in good weather conditions at 71mph - or even faster.


So I was right. What you mean is you want the choice to disobey the law whenever you feel it's safe to do so? As already pointed out, those who feel they have the ability to make those calls often end up killing themselves or others as their skill level is nowhere near as good as they mistakenly believe it to be Rolling Eyes
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Would you have us incredibly hypocritical members of the holier than thou brigade believe that your policy is to exceed the speed limit SOLELY on deserted motorways in good weather? [By the way, my interpretation of the term ‘incredibly hypocritical’ is ‘not hypocritical’ :-)].

When would that have been last? I’ve done an awful lot of miles in the last 18 years and I really cannot remember ever coming across a deserted motorway, except when seeing a closed one from the opposite carriageway.
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sussamb wrote:
So I was right. What you mean is you want the choice to disobey the law whenever you feel it's safe to do so? As already pointed out, those who feel they have the ability to make those calls often end up killing themselves or others as their skill level is nowhere near as good as they mistakenly believe it to be Rolling Eyes

Oh, I already have the choice to disobey the law whenever I want - as does every other motorist (and, indeed, every other citizen).

You do, however, appear to be incapable of understanding the difference between driving within the law and driving safely - despite the two often being different. That is very worrying in somebody who claims to have passed multiple advance driving tests and to have driven blue lights.

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