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petrolhead276 Occasional Visitor
Joined: Dec 26, 2006 Posts: 16 Location: Essex
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Vent Mount |
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ebay link gives following error
This listing (380867833498.) has been removed, or this item isn't available. |
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JockTamsonsBairn Lifetime Member
Joined: Jan 10, 2004 Posts: 2777 Location: Bonnie Scotland (West Central)
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Vent Mount |
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petrolhead276 wrote: |
ebay link gives following error
This listing (380867833498.) has been removed, or this item isn't available. | I think the link should be without the trailing full stop. _________________ Jock
TomTom Go 940 LIVE (9.510, Europe v915.5074 on SD & 8.371, WCE v875.3613 on board) |
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bmwpc Occasional Visitor
Joined: Dec 26, 2007 Posts: 10
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 3:53 pm Post subject: Missing Logic to the Argument |
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Start at the problem not the solution. The "problem" is the nav unit or whatever is being used. If you are to look at it, you are already diverting attention away from your driving. So unless your unit is blocking an absolute primary spot on your windshield where you are actually looking through, there is NO distraction or reduction in your usable viewing area. IE Ig I stick the unit on my rearview mirror it certainly would not hurt my forward vision but it would hurt my rearward vision, Now put that same device in the upper corner of your windscreen where you don't look for traffic, unless low flying planes frequent your driving route, you are using "viewable" area but no area that you normally or even infrequently use while driving. The bottom line is, if you place it anywhere not in your direct line of view, you have to take your eyes away from driving no matter if it is for 1/2 second or 5 seconds. And, no matter where it is, if it is located IN your driving line of sight, you degrade that by a variable amount. It is logically impossible to not have it one way or the other. |
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bmwpc Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Vent Mount |
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petrolhead276 wrote: |
ebay link gives following error
This listing (380867833498.) has been removed, or this item isn't available. |
Thanks for your anti America and law enforcement drivel. Please don't come to the US as an attitude like that will not serve you well. If you wish to slander at least learn to spell or you may get TASERED. Of NEVER have travelled to the US and NEVER will from Sussucks. |
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Duddy Lifetime Member
Joined: Dec 09, 2006 Posts: 219 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 4:02 pm Post subject: Sat Navs obscuring view |
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As a ex Police traffic Officer and accident investigator I fully agree that Sat Navs etc should not be obscuring the drivers view.
Now I've retired I spend 6 days a week helping out at my sons garage. One of my jobs is taking cars and light vans for the MOT test.
When I get a vehicle with a sat nav or phone carrier obscuring my view I remove it, sometimes the owner objects until I point out if I leave it up the vehicle will fail the MOT.
Anything greater than 10mm withing the wiper swept area and in a band 290mm wide cetrered on the steering wheel is a failure and anything (other than official stickers) greater than 40mm wide within the wiper swept area is also a failure.
I took a phone carrier down that would have been directly in front of me when driving and but below my eye line. when I saw the driver, the carrier would have been directly level with her eyes and when I asked why she had the carrier there ? reply "I like to see who's calling me" Biting my lips I asked Does'nt it obscrure her view to the front.
Reply "Yes, but I've only bumped into 1 cyclist a bit"
Sometimes I wish I was back in the job. _________________ HUAWEI P30 Pro (new edition) with Speedtrap Alert & alcatel1 for SatNav
CoPilot 10 with CamerAlert
RoadHawk in-car video
Reading glasses getting thicker as is my waist
Retired but want to go back to work for a rest. |
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sussamb Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 18, 2011 Posts: 4462 Location: West Sussex
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Sat Navs obscuring view |
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Duddy wrote: |
I took a phone carrier down that would have been directly in front of me when driving and but below my eye line. when I saw the driver, the carrier would have been directly level with her eyes and when I asked why she had the carrier there ? reply "I like to see who's calling me" Biting my lips I asked Does'nt it obscrure her view to the front.
Reply "Yes, but I've only bumped into 1 cyclist a bit". |
Can't help some folks
Sad thing is that idiots like that will one day injure themselves or others _________________ Where there's a will ... there's a way. |
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petrolhead276 Occasional Visitor
Joined: Dec 26, 2006 Posts: 16 Location: Essex
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Missing Logic to the Argument |
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bmwpc wrote: | .......The bottom line is, if you place it anywhere not in your direct line of view, you have to take your eyes away from driving no matter if it is for 1/2 second or 5 seconds. ........ |
Advanced driving techniques teach you to scan the road ahead which means from side to side, long & short distances.
So the comment about taking your eyes off the road ahead is true, up to a point, as one does exactly that when looking in the rear view or door mirrors.
Although in my experience there are a lot of people on the road who don't even do use their mirrors unless they are about to pull out. |
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freedy50 Lifetime Member
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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About time this was taken seriously. People just seem to think now that the middle of the windscreen below the mirror is the standard position to put a sat nav. Maybe they should bring in a law about it if people don't change what they do with these? At least it's something the police could see straight away when they drive past.
I use the item below on the right hand side of the dashboard with my sat nav attached. Its not as if you have to keep looking at it anyway as it tells you where you're going and tells you when to turn. You may have to look just to see what road you're on or the name of the road you've turned into.
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jonrome Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Some years ago I was told by an MOT examiner that it was a fail if any part of the swept area of the windscreen is obscured.
Aviva had an ad campaign for their safety app which showed a phone in the middle of the windscreen. It ran for a long time but I like to think they eventually took notice of my comments even though I got no acknowledgement back from them |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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freedy50 wrote: | Maybe they should bring in a law about it if people don't change what they do with these? At least it's something the police could see straight away when they drive past. | There is already, and it's an MoT test fail, but all they do is take it off and of course then what happens. |
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JimmyTheHand Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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freedy50 wrote: | |
Mine is in a similar positioned, on a beanbag mount, it obscures some of the bonnet. _________________ J. |
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tiddler Occasional Visitor
Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 27
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 9:44 pm Post subject: Sat Nav position |
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Best place in my view is on the bottom right hand corner. That way you are not blocking your view of the road. Never place one in the middle of your screen. |
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Kar98 Lifetime Member
Joined: Nov 25, 2004 Posts: 344 Location: DFW, Texas, USA
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 1:09 am Post subject: |
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CA_0818123658 wrote: | A universal bracket system, with electrical charging contacts should be adopted and mounted on every cars dashboard... |
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rf065 Lifetime Member
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 8:16 am Post subject: |
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BritBrat wrote: | Have you ever seen a police car and what they have on the wind screen? |
Maybe normal driving laws don't apply to them? They are also allowed to use a mobile phone or radio equipment while driving unlike everyone else.
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sussamb Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Mar 18, 2011 Posts: 4462 Location: West Sussex
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 8:39 am Post subject: |
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rf065 wrote: | BritBrat wrote: | Have you ever seen a police car and what they have on the wind screen? |
Maybe normal driving laws don't apply to them? |
Well normal rules do apply but all the emergency services have exceptions for certain situations, otherwise they wouldn't be able to break speed limits etc _________________ Where there's a will ... there's a way. |
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