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brians530
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just spent £67.82 on the new EU tomtom maps downloaded and my first day out guess what??????????
The new bypass road thru COULSDON A23 that took over 3 years to build and has only just open and is not on the map surprise surprise, if they can miss major roads then I don’t hold much hope for tomtom and I feel we are being miss informed, when its said UPDATED MAPS where’s the update if they are unable to do a simple road upgrade and how do we know it has been upgraded?? we are taking them on trust as there is no way we can check what has been updated. Okay there may be extra POI's etc but we need accurate maps

I use my tomtom every day for my work and it is very important to me and you hope that things like major road updates would be at the top of the list especially as they state they have people going around the country/EU checking for changes in roads and layouts.

So where do we go from here????????????

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian, where you go from here is to report the errors to TeleAtlas and NAVTEQ. I've already done it but the more the merrier. Then you read the article on this site about how long it takes to make the digital maps. A search of the site should turn that up for you. Finally, you use the new bypass safe in the knowledge that your satnav will catch up with you once you reach the other end.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim, thank you
I was aware that tomtom picks up your road again and puts you back on track as that happens on A22 where there is a new bypass thats ok if you are useing the road to go on thru, the problem was I wasnt and I was coming of one of its slip road halfway along it was good fortune my passenger new the way at that point so no problem.

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not in the habit of standing up for TeleAtlas etc, but in this case I think they can't win!
Brian says "has only just open and is not on the map surprise surprise".

If they HAD put this new road on the maps months before it opened, there would have been loads of people complaining about non-existant roads, and being led onto a building site.

Save the brickbats for roads that have been open for years and still aren't right!
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My reply would be th same as Tim Buxtons "quote" Finally, you use the new bypass safe in the knowledge that your satnav will catch up with you once you reach the other end. "un quote" it would keep you on the old road

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Brian

PS so if it takes 3 years to build a bypass etc you will not see it on your tomtom maps for say 4/6 years going by what has been said on the forum
No point in updating!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PS so if it takes 3 years to build a bypass etc you will not see it on your tomtom maps for say 4/6 years going by what has been said on the forum
No point in updating!!

However, none of the really major road improvements would be on your maps either and I think Teleatlas concentrate on those. Of course, we don't get many of those in the UK but in France they are completing major Autoroute bits often which makes some long-haul routes change dramatically.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:58 pm    Post subject: In support of TomTom Reply with quote

I know a lot of you are critical, but in all honesty, I have always had tip top support from the guys at support. Sometimes incorrect information admittedly, but I travel between 2000 and 3500 miles a week and a lot in europe, particularly in the eastern end. You know the latest two countries in the EU. Well I have reported a lot of errors over the last 5 years and many have been resolved, some remain to be. But I have found that the Western & Central Europe to be better than the individual maps with mfwe or even than western europe. I am home in UK now, but on wednesday, I drive to Bucuresti again, hitting some 60 banks on the way. No I am not a bank robber, but we use team to update banks sometimes manually when problems occur using network.
I am really pleased with TomTom, I used Dell Axim X51v in past but now I bought Go510 from www.cpc.co.uk and I have all the maps running on Go510 which came as v6.522,but automatically upgraded to v6.525. I actually bought this personally using my company buying power and I am really pleased.

So there are some errors in the maps - you think this is abnormal? Try using a new A to Z map. I bet there are errors there too.

At least TomTom will talk to you and help you where possible. Sometimes, you just have to ask nicely. Stop moaning and be realistic. A map is only like an MOT, good for the day it was rested.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Living and working in Cornwall leaves me with just about every long journey "off map". Major work on the A30 means trouble. Each month, a high vehicle used the hit the iron bridge near Roche and shut the A30.

Stupidly, I send data back to TomTom to update their expected journey times. As part of this they could quite easily see which parts of my journey are off map. They can see how many of their customers are travelling off map.

A priority list of "off map" journeys can be created.
They should send this off to the mappers who can then just do their jobs.

The maps are just data and data can easily be changed. Create an "update" for the map. This alters the underlying data to reflect the map change. These changes/deltas can be released every month, just like the traffic cam locations. You can apply them in the TomTom software on the PC. Any problems just revert to the old map.

Create a subscription model for the updates, about £3 a month, bob's your uncle.

I'm not going to buy new maps as the A30 will not be fully open for a few months and I'll wait now for the next generation of sat navs to come out with equally old maps which include the changes.

So TomTom can have none of my money for an already out of date map upgrade or they can get the subscription model above working and get some of my money regularly.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_P2002 wrote:
I'm not in the habit of standing up for TeleAtlas etc, but in this case I think they can't win!
Brian says "has only just open and is not on the map surprise surprise".

If they HAD put this new road on the maps months before it opened, there would have been loads of people complaining about non-existant roads, and being led onto a building site.

Save the brickbats for roads that have been open for years and still aren't right!


Hi Andy_P2002
As you say they can't put proposed or unfinished roads on their maps but consider this
The TT One Western Europe Edition with Navteq Maps was released around September last year. Owing to the time it takes to get maps through the system to the finished article, they must have been mapped around the beginning of 2006 - This map shows a new bypass to my village in Kent heading out to the Isle of Grain
Now assuming the same timescale
New Teleatlas map released April 2007
Must have been mapped around August 2006
Bypass still not showing.
If I bought a new map from the shop I would expect a road that is 2 years old to be shown

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite agree! (See my first and last sentences)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Andy
Forgot to mention that I informed Teleatlas as soon as the road was opened so they must have totally ignored me :x
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theripper wrote:
....around August 2006
Bypass still not showing.
If I bought a new map from the shop I would expect a road that is 2 years old to be shown...


Its best not to get worked up about these omissions. I'm very happy my Tomtom works very well most of the time in the UK, and in France where there are rural roads that have been there since at least 1937 but never appear on a Navteq map but do on TeleAtlas.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vroomfondel wrote:
theripper wrote:
....around August 2006
Bypass still not showing.
If I bought a new map from the shop I would expect a road that is 2 years old to be shown...


Its best not to get worked up about these omissions. I'm very happy my Tomtom works very well most of the time in the UK, and in France where there are rural roads that have been there since at least 1937 but never appear on a Navteq map but do on TeleAtlas.


I've had the same experience in the U.S. with Tele Atlas. My XL has been nothing but accurate, so I've nothing to complain about, as far as TA's maps go.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vroomfondel wrote:
theripper wrote:
....around August 2006
Bypass still not showing.
If I bought a new map from the shop I would expect a road that is 2 years old to be shown...


Its best not to get worked up about these omissions. I'm very happy my Tomtom works very well most of the time in the UK, and in France where there are rural roads that have been there since at least 1937 but never appear on a Navteq map but do on TeleAtlas.


If it was a small backroad I wouldn't worry about it but this is a major A road that is the only road to the Isle of Grain and more importantly Thamesport container depot.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theripper wrote:
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If it was a small backroad I wouldn't worry about it but this is a major A road ...

In that case I'd aggree it is something to get cross about.
A228? Out of interest is it shown correctly on Google maps?
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