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Bohica
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Ordered,Delivered,Fitted......... It works a treat in my Ford Focus.......
(3790T) |
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Wazza_G
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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MUGGED. 
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Bohica
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No Debate......My choice............  |
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M8TJT
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Nice choice. Bad form  |
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PhilHornby
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Commission Directive 70/220/EEC, Annex I |
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| I wrote: | Commission Directive 70/220/EEC, Annex I requires vehicles "must be fitted with an on-board diagnostic (OBD) system for emission control in accordance with Annex XI."
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It turns out that these directives have been refined & replaced over the years (as you might expect), such as HERE in 2005 and HERE in 2008
They define standards to be used for diagnostics, but they never use the phrase OBD-II (or OBD2). Colloquially, they seem to be referred to as EOBD, but the actual directives just talk about specific standards (eg ISO 15765-4), that define the comms. protocols and fault codes involved. With respect to what is monitored, the phrases "Stage 1 OBD" and "Stage 2 OBD" get a mention.
So, in terms of European vehicles, "OBD-II" compliance, as such, is just coincidental (OBD-II being an American definition of a similar system) ...
...if you really want to know if a given tool/accessory is compatible with the vehicle, you might need to check at that lower, 'ISO' level.
With regards to EcorouteHD compatibility, the Garmin US site just says, ring this toll-free number if it doesn't work, and we'll refund you. I couldn't find any equivalent statement on the Garmin UK site.
I did find a list of supported protocols:
- J1850 VPW
- ISO 9141-2
- J1850 PWM
- KWP2000 (ISO 14230)
- CAN (ISO 15765)
Also, there's a list of European cars they reckon it definitely works with:
http://www.garmin.com/uk/ecoroute-hd/compatability
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Chuffer4
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Tatsfield
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | £75 is the same sort of price you'd pay for a cheap Chinese stand-alone code reader (which would probably give less information - and take every opportunity to make you painfully aware of its cheapness Sad ). |
Actually cheap Chinese hand held code readers cost about £15 and for £75 to £115 you can buy a clone of a full dealer diagnostic unit for use with a laptop. Reading all parameters and accessing all areas of the ECU and accessory control unit. And I do mean the real thing although the intellectual property rights legality is fuzzy.
I'm not coming at this from the sat nav end but from the OBD-II perspective. My interest is diagnostics and this device is interesting for its Bluetooth link to a visual display in the car. It is expensive for what it does and will only work on post 2001 petrol and 2003 diesel cars. But for car enthusiasts it is a boon to have instant access to a range of performance monitoring readouts and will appeal but it is not likely to be much use to sat nav specialists if it doesn't contribute anything to routing and since it works in real time, it can hardly predict anything ahead from real time engine data. So for every sat nav geek who hates it, there will be a car tuning nut who likes it. Probably not what Garmin had in mind! |
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Chuffer4
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Tatsfield.
I would be grateful if you could point me at a Chinese clone full dealer diagnostic unit for my Renault Espace 2004.
I hear what you have said re the property rights |
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TieJustice
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:25 am Post subject: what eco info? |
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i purchase this some time ago and it is nothing but a add on clock for revs speed and so on but will give you info on some faults???
however some car will no longer work with this device example are works fine with every on on my family cars no problem. I got a new car 2011 and it will not allow it to work??? so i checked it with a scangageII works fine so the car is blocking this device so i think that you will have to take it to the dealer for the fault's to be fixed (ripoff if it just a misfire (bad plug) they will still charge you £80.00 for looking at it for a £4.00 part)
any way if you have a BMW 520m-sport(07) Citroen saxo (99) peugeot (01) it will work ok as i have tested it, maybe more people can add more info here.
but if you have a Citroen C3 (11) it will not work at all. |
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cornz
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:12 pm Post subject: Bluetooth multiple device pairing |
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Can this still be used in conjunction with a bluetooth phone so you have voice dialling?
I'd like one as it looks very nice and just gives an extra "techno" factor in the cockpit....
Besides, i've just paid 400 for a bluefin so 80 quid for a DTC reader and real time engine monitor is cheap!!! Mine will be permanantly mounted.. |
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mikealder
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Bluetooth multiple device pairing |
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| cornz wrote: | | Can this still be used in conjunction with a bluetooth phone so you have voice dialling? |
Do you want to use the Garmin as the hands free for you phone as well as having the engine diagnostics active via the EcoRoute HD accessory, if so it works fine.
I take it the Bluefin has "chipped" the ECU and doesn't need to be connected to the OBD-II port in the car at all times to be effective - Mike |
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cornz
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Correct Sir.
So long as i can use the hands free facility whilst having the gauges and real time engine info then thats spot on.
Yeah, the bluefin doesn't need to be connected, it can also read DTCs' and immobilise the engine but its not a cheap (though 270 BHP doesnt half put a grin on your chops) piece of kit. I think its good value and a nice gadget.
Also, im now the pleased owner of a 3790t... |
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mikealder
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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I will go and see what the Garmin does when reading and displaying engine information when a call comes in as I have never tried that, be back in ten minutes with an answer!
The Garmin is fine for phone call support with the EcoRoute HD connected but I have never tried answering a call with gauges displayed - Mike |
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cornz
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Awaiting results eagerly..
Does anyone know if it can record 0-60 times, 1/4 mile etc etc?? |
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mikealder
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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You get the in call icon top right, the handsfree works fine - Mike |
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