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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:49 pm    Post subject: Driver gets ticket for speeding in a parked car Reply with quote

pocketgpsworld.comEmily Davies was a model driver until snapped driving her car at 37 in a 30mph zone in Liverpool.

Nothing unusual in that until you discover that her car was stationary, parked outside her house and she was asleep in bed!

Emily received her ticket from the Merseyside Police Camera Partnership earlier this month and knew she could not have been driving at 10.30pm on the evening of the alleged offence but was told she would have to contest her case in court if she wished to see the photographic evidence.

Luckily the error was spotted by the Safety Camera partnership before it reached court and the prosecution has now been cancelled.

A Partnership spokesman said, "All I can say is Merseyside Police make a sincere apology. There was a failure on the operator’s side. She will be getting a letter of apology and the matter will be cancelled.”

It is not known how this error came to be made, perhaps a misinterpretation of the vehicle registration number but it is just one in a string of cases that show that the system is far from fool proof.

source: Liverpool Echo
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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she would have to contest her case in court if she wished to see the photographic evidence.


Is that true? You can't see the evidence until you get to court? So the prosecution have loads of preparation time and the defence has none....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe she was caught by this camera, It got me http://www.i-database.co.uk/index1.php Photo and all
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Driver gets ticket for speeding in a parked car Reply with quote

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A Partnership spokesman said, "All I can say is Merseyside Police make a sincere apology.


Embarassed That's all Merseyside Police are good for catching the wrong people and getting wrong

At least she gets a sincere apology Twisted Evil most people get told 'well we let you off this time but be more carfull'

they don't admint been wrong and its rear for a apology !! Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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she would have to contest her case in court if she wished to see the photographic evidence.


Is that true? You can't see the evidence until you get to court? So the prosecution have loads of preparation time and the defence has none....

I think it means that you can only see the evidence if you are going to plead Not Guilty (fight the case).

The Prosecution then have to declare, and show, the evidence that they have for wanting to bring the case.

Also the Defence has to show the Prosecution what evidence they will be using to fight their side.

There are time scales for these events.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but what if you thought it MIGHT have been you (or it could have been the wife driving?) and you just wanted to see the evidence in order for the correct person to pay the fine?! it seems silly to have to say you want to contest it in order to see the evidence to pay the fine...?!!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst what Oldboy says makes sense, i can't believe they don't send you a picture straight away or on request as it might stop people wasting courts time. I know some people will always try it on, even in the face of damming evidence, but surely most people would put their hands up if shown a photo of themselves driving at the time of the offence.

Also what happens if you say "I'm pleading not guilty as i have seen no evidence", the photo is produced and you say "ah yes. That's me. Guilty" Does it still go to court or do they not bother? In which case, again, why not just show the evidence in the first place?

I remember my father getting a photo from Holland (~15 years ago) after he was caught speeding whilst on a business trip. Photo was so compelling he had to admit to it....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under the data protection act, you can request the photos without having to go to court. That's your legal right, so whoever told her she'd have to go to court to see the picture evidence was lying.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen photos on the occassions these harassment demands have come to me.

A few police forces have the photos on-line; Northumberland sent the web address and passwords to me earlier this year.

They are very efficient at making money these days..... Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Up here in Northumberland, My mum got 'done' a couple of years ago, and on the NIP, it has a weblink to view the picture online so the correct person could pay the fine/ intend to plead innocent!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, this story is from a Newspaper. Journalists aren't known for getting their facts straight so we don't know if this is just artistic licence for the story, a mistake on the part of those concerned or what.

I wouldn't place too much importance on that fact.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another item on this story from the Daily mail here.

No mention of the photo but there is an explanation of how the error occurred.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Down here you can ask for a photgraph before accepting the settlement as they call it. You have to say what you want it for such as to identify the driver, or check the registration number etc so they can send the best photo. It arrives by post.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can request a photio and the police will defer your response for two weeks pending issue of the photo, this is fact, I have published an actual photo of my daughters misdemeanor caught on camera elasewhere on the site.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
... Journalists aren't known for getting their facts straight...

Aren't we journos too??? Wink
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