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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: New TomTom owner - initial backup question (Mac user) Reply with quote

Just purchased a TomTom 720.

The FAQ only covers Windows.

On a Mac (Leopard) is it simply a matter of using a card reader (assuming everything comes on a removable card?) and dragging everything via Finder?

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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a Mac user too. Just plug in the 720, it mounts as a disk drive and the copy all the contents to a folder on your Mac.

The 720 out of the box has all it's maps and software on internal flash storage. If you later expand it using the SD slot, backup that in the same way. If your 720 has a storage card inserted it will mount as two drives.

If you subsequently have to perform a restore, it's tidier if you run the dot_clean command from a Terminal session on your Mac against the backup folder you have on your Mac to remove the . and ._ files before copying back but if you don't it doesn't affect operation. As I say not essential but keeps the files on your 720 nice'n'tidy Smile
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for info, quite a few people have thought there is a "special shape" SD card in their Go720's.
In fact it comes with just a plastic dummy to keep dust out of the slot, and as Darren says, everything you need is installed on the 2GB internal memory.
You can add an SD card for extra maps or to store music etc. but it isn't neccessary on these models.
On a PC bothe the card slot and the Flash memory always appear as two new drives, but on a Mac I believe the card slot only shows up when a card is actually present.

The backup scheme though is the same principle. All that you want to do is copy EVERYTHING from the TT's storage memory to somewhere safe on your computer (and preferably burn it to a CD-R or DVD-R too).
If you start a "backups" folder, you can make another backup every time before you do any upgrades or make any changes.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: New TomTom owner - initial backup question (Mac user) Reply with quote

page3 wrote:
On a Mac (Leopard) is it simply a matter of using a card reader (assuming everything comes on a removable card?) and dragging everything via Finder?

I'm not sure whether this question was specifically answered, but you don't even need a card reader.

Simply leave the SD card in your 720 and connect it to your Mac.

When it mounts, it will give you two icons on the desktop:
Internal - built-in flash memory in the 720
External - SD card

If you then create a folder on your Mac, simply drag and drop files & folders to back them up.

The important thing to remember is to keep regular backups so that you can quickly and easily restore back to how it was.

...even easier than you thought, n'est pas? Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great guys - thanks Smile
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TomTom 720 arrived Saturday (speedy quick delivery from ebuyer.com) and all seems to work well.

    * initial backup as easy as everyone said
    * map update to 7.20 went smoothly, although I lost all my favourites which was a pain
    * So far, I'm impressed although surprisingly not that much has really changed from the TomTom 3 days, certainly not with the interface.
    * I keep trying to zoon the map iPhone style. This thing could really do with multi-touch and a glass screen!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: New TomTom owner - initial backup question (Mac user) Reply with quote

I have previously had no problems backing up my 720 in the manner described. However, today I added a 2GB 100x SD card and the backup failed about a quarter of the way through. On re3moving the SD card, the backup completed normally....

Anyone got any ideas why this should happen?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: New TomTom owner - initial backup question (Mac user) Reply with quote

GPS_fan wrote:

I'm not sure whether this question was specifically answered, but you don't even need a card reader.

Simply leave the SD card in your 720 and connect it to your Mac.


Except it takes for-freaking-ever to transfer huge amounts of data over the USB1.1 connection that's still present in all TomTom devices and most if not all PDAs, whereas a USB2 card reader makes short work of it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: New TomTom owner - initial backup question (Mac user) Reply with quote

Point taken, but you CAN do a backup without a card reader Wink

Are you sure that TomTom still us USB 1.1? - my 720 will backup 1.81GB in about 8 minutes...not indicative of the 11MB/s of USB 1.1 and more in line with USB 2 (480MB/s).

Obviously, a PC/Mac will require USB 2 connectivity
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: New TomTom owner - initial backup question (Mac user) Reply with quote

Quite sure, that's what it says under "About this Mac" when the TT is connected.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: New TomTom owner - initial backup question (Mac user) Reply with quote

Kar98 wrote:

Except it takes for-freaking-ever to transfer huge amounts of data over the USB1.1 connection that's still present in all TomTom devices and most if not all PDAs, whereas a USB2 card reader makes short work of it.


Are you sure about that? I thought that the more recent models ARE USB 2...

I can't find any definitive specs anywhere so far , but there are forum posts saying things like
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The laptop only has a USB1.1 connector and XP warned me that the 720 was designed for USB2 and would run slow.


Edit: you beat me to it Andy, I was searching the web for proof...
But I'm sure that all recent TomToms use USB2.

Never trust a Mac.... (except a plastic one in the rain Wink )
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine says:
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TomTom GO 720:

Capacity: 1.91 GB
Removable Media: Yes
Detachable Drive: Yes
BSD Name: disk2
Version: 1.00
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: TomTom
Mac OS 9 Drivers: No
Partition Map Type: Unknown
Product ID: 0x0001
Serial Number: M67307A07506
S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported
Vendor ID: 0x1390

So, it's connecting at 480Mb/s via USB 2
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't find ANY way to do this on a PC, but my sister in law is staying tonight and she's got a Mac laptop...
Same result: Go720 connecting at 480 Mb/s
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