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bigfatgoalie
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:41 am    Post subject: 710 road speeds - please tell me you can turn them off!! Reply with quote

Pretty much says it in the title really! Just got a new tomtom 710, found the new "lets you know the speed limit of the road you are on" feature rather quickly and then perhaps just as quickly realised how rubbish it is!

One particular duel carriageway I use alot is down as 60mph for a large part when the limit is clearly 70mph, please tell me you can turn this feature off as the blinking hard-to-read red text is annoying!!

Any ideas!!!!!?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi I agree with you on this, the only way to turn off the speed i think is in preferences and status bar prefences.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'll find you can't. Except for turning off your speed display, which is just one reason I sent my 910 back for a refund - I want to see my speed, I don't want to see the rubbish speed limit they think the road might have and the annoying almost invisible red flashing display (my example was worse - M5 Motorway at 60mph southbound all the way from Jct 22 to Jct 30!).

I understand PGPSW advised TT against putting this "improvement" in the x10 series, but were ignored. I'm just hoping against hope they don't stick it into the ("soon") new maps and OS for my GO700.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally like the feature, Ok it's not 100% and you cant see it very well when it goe's red. I agree that it should be more visable and accurate and purhaps their should be an option to turn the feature off (But still beable to show speed). I think you have to use common sense really, Should you really be looking at your TomTom screen at 60/70 MPH anyway? You should know the speed limits where you are anyway. If it's displaying in red all the time perhaps you should slow down. I've found that it's reasonably accurate where I live. I treat it as a rough guidance only and would never take the speed it displays for granted.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shauneco wrote:
I personally like the feature, Ok it's not 100% and you cant see it very well when it goe's red. I agree that it should be more visable and accurate and purhaps their should be an option to turn the feature off (But still beable to show speed). I think you have to use common sense really, Should you really be looking at your TomTom screen at 60/70 MPH anyway? You should know the speed limits where you are anyway. If it's displaying in red all the time perhaps you should slow down. I've found that it's reasonably accurate where I live. I treat it as a rough guidance only and would never take the speed it displays for granted.


No way!! Just how "rough guidance" would you accept - "roughly" 40 in a 30 zone?
First, I DO know the speed limits and I DON'T exceed them. For example, as a general reminder, I change gear down to reflect the speed limit - then I remember if I'm in 3rd, it's 20mph, in 4th it's 30 and in 5th it's at least 40. Normally, I find the motorway speed limit is 70mph and to have 56 miles of motorway driving with that persistent semi visible blink telling me that at 68mph I'm exceeding the speed limit is not merely infuriating, it's also telling me they can't get it right often enough to be a decent rough guide. Because that "feature" comes and goes depending on the "inaccurate" info on TT's mapping, it actually makes checking the driving speed from the screen more difficult - choose the right figure when it's there, wonder where it's gone when it isn't.

My TT screen is actually easier to look at - closer to my line of sight - than my speedo. So it's "safer" to glance there than down below. It's also more accurate. Since 1st March this year, I've driven over 45,000 miles and very rarely (but certainly occasionally) above the speed limits. If you mean I should always know the speed limit wherever I am, you're quite right, but why do you find it useful in that case? Just like the speed camera database, I find the speed display very useful in helping me to keep within speed limits - I change my van every two years and it runs really quite quietly at 58 to 68mph (my preferrred motorway economy speed), so that from time to time a downslope will ease me over 70.

Finally, you're right that if they gave an option to turn it off, the problem would disappear instantly. It would then be an interesting thread to ask how many users have it turned on and how many turned off. I imagine that at present, many users have it on simply because they want their own speed and grudgingly put up with the speed limit nuisance as the price they now have to pay for it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dennis, you are spot on! All of what you said!

It is annoying and its a total joke, just how far wrong it is is laughable, i mean lets forget for a second the blinking just how can tomtom get these speed limits so wrong?, either they are out of date (in which case 10s of years out of date), or they are just not at all checked, i mean the fact the limit is on some roads and not others means they must have made a conscious choice which ones to display the road speed limit for, and by extension must have at some point decided what the speed limit for the road was. truely they are just shockingly inaccurate, Im getting carried away I know! and lets not get away from all the many many good points about the tomtom products but just how wrong these limits are makes you wonder where on earth they came from!

See, i really like having the speed im doing visable so i can check it and so really dont want to turn the feature off, but how much longer I can put up with the annoyance, and more worringly, the distraction quite frankly is the debate!

oh, incidently does anyone else find that speed per tomtom differs from what is on your speedo? I drive a VW and tomtom says maybe 66 when my speedo says 70, interesting to hear others views.

Please tell me they will get rid of it in some future (SOON!!) update, can we patition them!!!?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like this "feature", I'd disable it if I could, although I like the car speed being shown.

There are a couple of villages in Cheshire where my Go 710 tries to tell me the speed limit is national speed 60mph, where as the road signs clearly say 30mph, there are other stretches of road where which are 60mph but it tells me the limit is 30 or 40mph. I don't really use the speed display, but for its a feature I like to have it switched on. I find it very irritating when it starts flashing because it thinks i'm speeding when I'm not, and I find it even more irritating when its flashing red and I can barely read it with my sunglasses on.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigfatgoalie wrote:
.... just how can tomtom get these speed limits so wrong?
Can we just clarify that the Speed that is allocated to a stretch of road is TeleAtlas Data.

What you see is TomTom's use of that Data, and their reliance on it's accuracy. 8O
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, Oldboy is quite right, it's not Tom Tom's data, but that of Teleatlas and the "wrong" is for TT to be so daft as to use it. We all know that speed limits are a thing of fatal attraction to all the so-called safety specialists, both professional and amateur. They change speed limits just for breakfast.

So the Teleatlas data is very suspect - both often wrong and, even more often, not recorded. I suppose this is how all such databases are formed and there just has to be a period of time during the startup when it is more inaccurate than correct. But I think this is a wrong-un. There are so many miles of roads it seems unlikely that this data can ever be reasonably accurate.

On a lighter note, isn't it funny that we all complain that the red flashing is nearly "invisible", but ALSO we hate seeing it!! I don't know why I'm getting so hot under the collar over this one - I only kept my GO910 about a week before taking it back for a refund and went back to a 700. I suppose I'm just hoping TT will read and pay attention, so that they don't introduce it with the forthcoming update maps - I have a horrible feeling they're going to do it so that all their software is "standardised".
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure they will be in the next map updates if they ever release them! Perhaps you should let TomTom know about your feelings and then maybe in their next update they will give you the option to dissable the warnings. If not maybe theirs a a file you can delete that contains the speed data unless their embedded in the map data.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh NOOOOO I knew it!!!

Just look what's in the announcement of the new maps today ..
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when a consumer buys a new map, the latest version of the TomTom application including new features such as signpost information and speed limits, will automatically be downloaded to their device via TomTom HOME


Aaaaaargh, BLUDDY Aaaaaaaargh Burn In Hell Censored
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: speed limit warning on 500 Reply with quote

Hi all,
I have the new map installed on my 500 together with the old map but i never have had the speed warning feature.
Does the 500 show this and if so how?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For it to show, you need the v6 maps AND software at or later than (I think) v6.52
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_P2002 wrote:
For it to show, you need the v6 maps AND software at or later than (I think) v6.52


Isnt that more or less forced on you if you buy the news maps though? I've got a 300 with 5.4x, would like a new map but it sounds like a lot of *rs*ng around to get the new maps eith the 5.4x software.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's exactly what I'm going to attempt though! Laughing
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