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Manufacturers and Highways bosses meet for Satnav Summit
Article by: Darren Griffin
Date: 6 Mar 2012
Norman Baker, Local Transport Minister is hosting a satnav summit today.
Satnav manufacturers and map makers are meeting with the transport minister and highway authority representatives to discuss the growing problem of drivers following out-of-date navigation devices and being directed along unsuitable or inappropriate roads.
The summit has been receiving a lot of press coverage on TV and Radio this morning and it's nice to see drivers being held to task for a change. One attempted to blame the satnav when he drove down a one way street, until it was pointed out that it is his responsibility to follow signs!
The issue of out-of-date maps is somewhat valid but it's the prevalence of drivers who consider satnav as some form of autopilot, that absolves them of any responsibility, that needs addressing. Perhaps more education on the issue of maps and map updates needs considering but it seems that there are far too many drivers who ought not to be driving at all and will look to lay the blame for their own failings on something, or someone else at every opportunity.
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 Posted by pillboxman on Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:28 pm |
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Was PGPSW not asked?
Who knows more about the actual use of PND than you? 
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| Posted by spook51 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:06 pm |
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Apparently it was attended by ADEPT – the Association of Directors of Environment, Economy, Planning and Transportation, formerly known as the County Surveyors Society, representing councils in transport, planning, waste and other related areas and ITS(UK) – Intelligent Transport Systems (UK), the UK association for the promotion of intelligent transport technology, including satnav devices.
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| Posted by xtraseller on Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:07 pm |
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No meeting necessary ( )
One. Force PNDs and software / apps to come with Lifetime Map Updates or Subscription based only
Fail to update or subscribe and update and the unit will cease to function
That way everyone will at least have the best chance to get it right with the latest maps, road speeds and restrictions
Two. Force government agencies to provide accurate and immediate mapping, road traffic / incident / roadwork data to the mapping providers - and part of their "license" to be able to retail (or give-away) maps would be their "subscription" and immediate action on this data - with fines for inaccurate maps from accurate data
Solution. Everyone happy - sat nav users get the accurate data they want, and if someone doesn't want to pay for it, just refer to online digital maps or paper maps and make the roads safer for us all
It is sad that is what is needed, for while I love the lane guidance, advance warnings, etc. of my units, they are there for me to check against the real road signs and my common sense
TomTom Go Live 6100, 600
Garmin DriveLux 50, D-Smart 70, NuviCam, 3598, 2699, 2798
Mio Navman 695
Nexus 6p, Apple iPhone 6sPlus and Microsoft Lumia 950xl running TomTom, Garmin, CoPilot, Navigon, Sygic, Here Drive, Google, Waze, MS Maps |
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| Posted by pillboxman on Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:53 pm |
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Ah xtraseller
in a perfect world, but then we unfortunately we do not live in such a world.
In a recent survey by LateRooms.com more than half of the UK (62%) admitted they could not remember the last time had looked at a map.
19% of Britons did not even know that Britain is a member of the European Union.
Something wrong with our education system?
John
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| Posted by DennisN on Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:06 pm |
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| xtraseller Wrote: | No meeting necessary ()
One. Force PNDs and software / apps to come with Lifetime Map Updates or Subscription based only
Fail to update or subscribe and update and the unit will cease to function
That way everyone will at least have the best chance to get it right with the latest maps, road speeds and restrictions
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Two. Force government agencies to provide accurate and immediate mapping, road traffic / incident / roadwork data to the mapping providers -
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Solution. Everyone happy |
In your dreams! Show me any two satnav owners on this forum who want their devices to be identical, because that's the only way to get your forced compliance suggestions, forget TomTom, Garmin et al. So it ain't gonna happen.
Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
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| Posted by MaFt on Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:57 am |
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Just had a laugh at this Halford press release...:
http://www.4-traders.com/HALFORDS-GROUP-PLC-9590208/news/HALFORDS-GROUP-PLC-Halfords-comment-on-the-Sat-Nav-Summit-14200426/
As the uk's leading retailer of automotice products you'd think they'd have more HGV-specific items for sale? In-store I've never ever seen any HGV devices. Online they have 6; 3 of which are duplicates and only 2 of which are available to order anyway!
Instead of spouting nonsense 'PR' like that they should concentrate their efforts on educating their customers on the importance of having the right hardware and not just the cheapest. Even a little sign in their cabinet saying 'These products are not suitable for trucks and caravans' would be a start.
Plus, I highly doubt that they are working with manufacturers with regards to lifetime map updates!! Surely receiving Garmin's PR about mapping doesn't constitute working with them??!
MaFt
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| Posted by tomtom_shareholder on Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:15 pm |
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Both Navteq and TeleAtlas are working on 'incremental map updates'. TomTom/TeleAtlas mentioned a servicelevel agreement of maximum 48 hours between updating a map and getting it to the users. That would be a big step from the current quarterly updates (if people would even buy them).
I would favour unlimited incremental updates to become a part of the service bundle that now offers speedcams and HD traffic. This would help people to have maps that are always up-to-date. And I think it would be a good opportunity for them to sell maps and live services better.
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| Posted by Kremmen on Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:35 pm |
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Considering the base cost of Artic's these days I'm surprised a dedicated 'wide vehicle' SatNav system isn't built in as standard.
Satnav:
Garmin 2599 LMT-D (Indoor test rig)
DashCam:
Viofo A119 V3
Car Average MPG :
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| Posted by Darren on Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:49 pm |
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And all this blame laid at satnavs when the fault is the drivers. What happened before satnavs?
Witless idiots behind the wheel is the problem. People who will turn onto rail tracks, drive into rivers and down one-way streets the wrong way simply because their satnav told them to.
It's not the fault of the satnav and no matter how up to date it is, you'll still have the same problem of drivers who really shouldn't be in charge of a Dinky toy, let alone a vehicle let loose on public roads.
Darren Griffin |
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