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Manufacturers and Highways bosses meet for Satnav Summit


Article by: Darren Griffin
Date: 6 Mar 2012

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Norman Baker, Local Transport Minister is hosting a satnav summit today.

Satnav manufacturers and map makers are meeting with the transport minister and highway authority representatives to discuss the growing problem of drivers following out-of-date navigation devices and being directed along unsuitable or inappropriate roads.

The summit has been receiving a lot of press coverage on TV and Radio this morning and it's nice to see drivers being held to task for a change. One attempted to blame the satnav when he drove down a one way street, until it was pointed out that it is his responsibility to follow signs!

The issue of out-of-date maps is somewhat valid but it's the prevalence of drivers who consider satnav as some form of autopilot, that absolves them of any responsibility, that needs addressing. Perhaps more education on the issue of maps and map updates needs considering but it seems that there are far too many drivers who ought not to be driving at all and will look to lay the blame for their own failings on something, or someone else at every opportunity.



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Posted by pillboxman on Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:28 pm Reply with quote

Was PGPSW not asked?

Who knows more about the actual use of PND than you? Very Happy


 
Posted by spook51 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:06 pm Reply with quote

Apparently it was attended by ADEPT – the Association of Directors of Environment, Economy, Planning and Transportation, formerly known as the County Surveyors Society, representing councils in transport, planning, waste and other related areas and ITS(UK) – Intelligent Transport Systems (UK), the UK association for the promotion of intelligent transport technology, including satnav devices.


 
Posted by xtraseller on Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:07 pm Reply with quote

No meeting necessary (Laughing Out Loud)

One. Force PNDs and software / apps to come with Lifetime Map Updates or Subscription based only

Fail to update or subscribe and update and the unit will cease to function

That way everyone will at least have the best chance to get it right with the latest maps, road speeds and restrictions


Two. Force government agencies to provide accurate and immediate mapping, road traffic / incident / roadwork data to the mapping providers - and part of their "license" to be able to retail (or give-away) maps would be their "subscription" and immediate action on this data - with fines for inaccurate maps from accurate data


Solution. Everyone happy - sat nav users get the accurate data they want, and if someone doesn't want to pay for it, just refer to online digital maps or paper maps and make the roads safer for us all

It is sad that is what is needed, for while I love the lane guidance, advance warnings, etc. of my units, they are there for me to check against the real road signs and my common sense


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Posted by pillboxman on Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:53 pm Reply with quote

Ah xtraseller

in a perfect world, but then we unfortunately we do not live in such a world.

In a recent survey by LateRooms.com more than half of the UK (62%) admitted they could not remember the last time had looked at a map.

19% of Britons did not even know that Britain is a member of the European Union.

Something wrong with our education system?

John


 
Posted by DennisN on Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:06 pm Reply with quote

xtraseller Wrote:
No meeting necessary (Laughing Out Loud)

One. Force PNDs and software / apps to come with Lifetime Map Updates or Subscription based only

Fail to update or subscribe and update and the unit will cease to function

That way everyone will at least have the best chance to get it right with the latest maps, road speeds and restrictions
________________________

Two. Force government agencies to provide accurate and immediate mapping, road traffic / incident / roadwork data to the mapping providers -
_______________________

Solution. Everyone happy


In your dreams! Show me any two satnav owners on this forum who want their devices to be identical, because that's the only way to get your forced compliance suggestions, forget TomTom, Garmin et al. So it ain't gonna happen.


Dennis

Where there's a will .... there's a wake.

 
Posted by MaFt on Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:57 am Reply with quote

Just had a laugh at this Halford press release...:

http://www.4-traders.com/HALFORDS-GROUP-PLC-9590208/news/HALFORDS-GROUP-PLC-Halfords-comment-on-the-Sat-Nav-Summit-14200426/


As the uk's leading retailer of automotice products you'd think they'd have more HGV-specific items for sale? In-store I've never ever seen any HGV devices. Online they have 6; 3 of which are duplicates and only 2 of which are available to order anyway!

Instead of spouting nonsense 'PR' like that they should concentrate their efforts on educating their customers on the importance of having the right hardware and not just the cheapest. Even a little sign in their cabinet saying 'These products are not suitable for trucks and caravans' would be a start.

Plus, I highly doubt that they are working with manufacturers with regards to lifetime map updates!! Surely receiving Garmin's PR about mapping doesn't constitute working with them??!

MaFt


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Posted by pillboxman on Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:12 am Reply with quote

MaFt Wrote:
Instead of spouting nonsense 'PR' like that they should concentrate their efforts on educating their customers on the importance of having the right hardware and not just the cheapest. Even a little sign in their cabinet saying 'These products are not suitable for trucks and caravans' would be a start.MaFt


I totally agree MaFt

When I worked for a well known electrical retailer, (oh well if you insist, Comet! Very Happy ) I used to make every effort to insist that HGV drivers purchased from specialist retailers.

HGV "But they are so expensive compared with you"
Me "yes but what is the cost of you jamming your lorry into a narrow bridge?"
LGV "But they are so expensive compared with you"
Me "What are the penalties for you if you are late delivering a load?"
HGV "But they are so expensive compared with you"

I think you get the picture! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


John

PS. This was MY policy not official Comet policy. Any Comet manager reading this take note!


 
Posted by tomtom_shareholder on Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:15 pm Reply with quote

Both Navteq and TeleAtlas are working on 'incremental map updates'. TomTom/TeleAtlas mentioned a servicelevel agreement of maximum 48 hours between updating a map and getting it to the users. That would be a big step from the current quarterly updates (if people would even buy them).

I would favour unlimited incremental updates to become a part of the service bundle that now offers speedcams and HD traffic. This would help people to have maps that are always up-to-date. And I think it would be a good opportunity for them to sell maps and live services better.


 
Posted by Kremmen on Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:35 pm Reply with quote

Considering the base cost of Artic's these days I'm surprised a dedicated 'wide vehicle' SatNav system isn't built in as standard.


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Posted by M8TJT on Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:00 pm Reply with quote

tomtom_shareholder Wrote:
TomTom/TeleAtlas mentioned a servicelevel agreement of maximum 48 hours between updating a map and getting it to the users.
Souns like a great idea Idea Idea A super politician's idea. Idea Idea Totally meaningless!!! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes All they now have to do then is update the maps and make sure that they get the three year old stuff that's not in them into the incremental update. Stop it!
Doesn't matter a toss if they get the 'latest updates' to the end user in 1.5 microseconds, if they havn't put all the 20% of changes a year Surprised into them Joker


 
Posted by Darren on Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:49 pm Reply with quote

And all this blame laid at satnavs when the fault is the drivers. What happened before satnavs?

Witless idiots behind the wheel is the problem. People who will turn onto rail tracks, drive into rivers and down one-way streets the wrong way simply because their satnav told them to.

It's not the fault of the satnav and no matter how up to date it is, you'll still have the same problem of drivers who really shouldn't be in charge of a Dinky toy, let alone a vehicle let loose on public roads.


Darren Griffin - Editor

 
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