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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:37 am    Post subject: UK Seeks Alliance For SatNav Rival Reply with quote

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The UK is asking its partners in the 'Five Eyes' alliance for help in launching its own satnav system following the loss of its participation in the Galileo project as a consequence of Brexit.

UK Space Agency officials have held talks with colleagues in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the UK to seek financial and technology support and has already spent more than £1bn. The project could cost more as much as £5bn to complete.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but this is utterly ridiculous. Is Barnier *seriously* suggesting that military allies EU - existing and future - will not be permitted to access the military side of Galileo in exactly the same way that the UK (and others) have access to the military side of the US' GPS system? It just sounds like playground-esque blustering of the worst sort.

It is also worth pointing out that which is not made very clear in PGPSW's short article that, as M. Barnier himself stated recently "Galileo's civil and commercial signal will obviously still be accessible to the United Kingdom and its businesses.”
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason for Barnier statement is access to the encryption keys. Having worked on Galileo this is a key requirement of any partners working on or using the secured data. It's one of the reasons why the ranging stations are all located on EU or EU controlled sites.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is ridiculous is the UK assuming that it can retain the benefits of EU membership after leaving. We are a small island giving up our club membership.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To a lot of us it's not a club as such
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was a club, a support group, a bigger voice in the wider world, protection against Chinese and Russian and American bullying. It created worker protections that the UK alone would never have done. We are still the country in the OECD with the lowest pension compared to salary, and much worse than our EU fellows, so we have a long way to go. It gave us the chance to be part of bigger projects such as Galileo and CERN. It allowed our businesses to save on red tape (which British bureaucrats love) whilst trading within its borders. It meant that our fruit and veg got picked. Pulling together instead of apart allowed us to stop fighting and help the less fortunate countries enabling them to grow and contribute more - like we do within our own borders.

It was hugely imperfect, but we cannot fix it from the outside,and we cannot have the benefits without the costs.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fellwalker wrote:
We are still the country in the OECD with the lowest pension compared to salary, and much worse than our EU fellows,
Then pay more tax. Where do you think the money comes from?
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It allowed our businesses to save on red tape (which British bureaucrats love) whilst trading within its borders.
No, it caused a whole shedload more red tape.
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It was hugely imperfect, {snip]
You are dead right with that one.
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but we cannot fix it from the outside
And we cannot fix it from the inside either. We have tried.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You ought to read Booker and North's book 'The Mad Officials' about EU Directives. It wasn't the directives as such, it was the UK Civil Service chucking in the kitchen sink as well. Dr North has been pushing to get us out of the EU for decades so this isn't a pro-EU book.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for engaging in discussion. I'm basically afraid for the future and would love it to be OK. We will see.
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We are still the country in the OECD with the lowest pension compared to salary, and much worse than our EU fellows,
Then pay more tax. Where do you think the money comes from?
Exactly. We don't pay enough tax as politicians keep promising tax cuts to get elected. And the population vote them in.

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It allowed our businesses to save on red tape (which British bureaucrats love) whilst trading within its borders.
No, it caused a whole shedload more red tape.

From the Irish Times:"Myth number one is that most decisions in relation to the EU are taken by EU bureaucrats. This is total nonsense, as all decisions must be, and are, made jointly by the elected members of the 28 EU states and the directly-elected members of the European Parliament. "https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/ireland-must-fight-myths-about-the-eu-in-britain-1.3989889

The EU legislation in the UK is far more onerous and detailed than in any of our fellow members. That is down to British bureaucrats. As @Allan_whoops says.
Even now, there are myths expounded about the EU laws. https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

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It was hugely imperfect, {snip]
You are dead right with that one.
But show me any country that isn't. I'd rather be European than Chinese, or even American.

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And we cannot fix it from the inside either. We have tried.
We have influenced it, which is as much as any one country can do. Sadly we had MEPs who didn't bother to go and debate and vote because they didn't like it. We had more chance of changing anything inside than out.

But this was about Galileo, and the country initially whingeing on that we're being kicked out according to the rules because we have left the organisation under whose rules it is run. And spending money that we supposedly didn't have before, and that has been needed elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, I agree with you on the 'directives'. EU makes a 'suggestion' and UK bods jump on it like a ton of bricks and not only make it law, but at a much tighter level.
Take carbon emissions a good example of this stupidity. UK produces 1.2% of global CO2. If we reduce our CO2 emissions to zero, it will not make the slightest difference globally. But this is costing the UK population zillions of pounds to try to achieve it. Not to mention reducing our power production capability by scrapping coal power stations. Stupidity.

I suspect that UK is about the only EU country that follows all the EU guidelines and 'rules' with a lot of the others just ignoring the ones that they don't like.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is true. I have a friend in Spain who keeps up to date with Spanish politics and he confirms that Spain goes its own way and the EU don't pursue them.

For me the EU is taking over too much and their desired end goal as I understand is to remove each members elected parliament and put Brussels in charge. We already have to surrender our laws to the EU court who can, and do, override our courts decisions, frequently.
They are already making moves to a EU army but we already have a veto on that.

Free movement has seen a mass influx of immigrants that they now admit they don't know how many or where they can be housed.

As mentioned, there is more red tape than ever and any overseas trade has to be rubber stamped by Brussels and they take their cut and control it.

And for this uncertain future we are paying £bns to the EU who dish it out to less well off member states who therefore have no desire to improve.
There are 10 paying countries and 17 receiving countries with Luxembourg breaking even.

Our total annual bill is £17.4bn
We got £4.2bn rebate so we actually paid £13.2bn
We got £4.3bn back in grants to sectors so we 'lost' £8.9bn which is about £188m a week and not Boris's £350m that was based on the £17.4bn total.
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