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JoeGriffin
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

topref wrote:
So after how many years does it cease to be a road in Garmins' eyes? It's been this layout for at least 40 years! It's just the nonsensical routing that is the issue and this is just one of several!


As far as Garmin are concerned, forever or until their map providers (Here) get it updated. The thing to do is put the amendment on the Here database, using MapCreator.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sussamb wrote:
Not sure what is suggested in first example, but second one is either a map error or it is a navigable road, some roads are like that in parts of the country. Whether it is a sensible route depends on start and end point.


on the first picture, it wants you to stop before the lights, cross the dual carriage way and go up the parade past the shops, to then wait to get out and cross the dual carriageway to get back to your side of the road.

It is quicker, easier and safer to just wait at the lights...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd agree. Although I see many drivers taking such actions to avoid red lights, or indeed queues at them Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know I prefer my Garmin because of the third party cameras but TT do have vehicles about.

But, by the sound of it they need to be charting minor roads, not the western section of the M25 as captured by me on Saturday at 10:31, exact location :

N51 17' 2" W0 16' 2" :


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if that's simply capturing junction views etc?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sussamb wrote:
I'd agree. Although I see many drivers taking such actions to avoid red lights, or indeed queues at them Wink
Yes, but they don't usually cross a dual carriageway twice suss. Nip through a garage maybe.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly not Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sussamb wrote:
My Garmin has never sent me into a layby or taken me down a dead end except once in France due to new roadworks.

While my Garmin has never sent me along to a dead end, it has directed me along clearly unsuitable roads.

There does seem to be a flaw in the routing algorithm which tries to follow a "crow flies" route, preferring the shorter de-restricted roads to speed limited primary routes.

The classic scenario it fails on is a big hill - the easy A road route goes round the hill but the Garmin chooses the single track poor quality Z grade road over the hill because it has no defined speed limit and is shorter.

This has happened to me in the Peak District, Wales and Devon, and in Spain where we ended up on a forest track. It is very difficult to get the Garmin to find an alternative route, even after having turned back to a main road and continuing on in what seems to be the sensible route. So beware in rural areas.

There have also been occasions when the Garmin has directed us off a by-pass and through a small village. We are now wise to these foibles and now ignore the directions and wait for the Garmin to catch up. Which eventually it does.

(As an aside, the in-built SatNav in a friend's Audi directed the car over a footbridge when en route to Dunham Massey! Over the Bollin by the The Swan with Two Nicks, if you're interested. My friend was furious, and complained like mad to Audi! https://bit.ly/2NusRNI )
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

inspiredron wrote:
I updated this evening, not without traumas. Once the maps and new software were installed the unit kept freezing after I had gone through the calibration process. I was asked to accept the massive ELUA but it froze at that point. I had to cold start several times before I was able to proceed.
Then I found I had lost my favourites for the first time in years. Not critical but annoying. I now find that the previous very clear speed limit sign has been replaced by a less distinct rectangle with, subjectively smaller numbers. If it ain't broke then don't fix it!
Grrrrr


You need to do a master reset. The unit has switched to US road signs. By selecting English UK the normal signs will return.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been in Scotland for the last ten days or so, driving between Crieff and Stirling several times.



Every time the Garmin routing indicates the minor road between Muthill and Braco instead of the A822. There are signs when entering this minor road saying "not suitable for HGV" and "Passing places". I did travel it once (when in the area for the first time) and sure enough, the signs were correct! And far from being some 2 minutes quicker it was at least 5 minutes slower.

I tried Google Maps on my phone and I was directed along the A822.

Garmin need to up their game.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't a company the size of Garmin up their game.

They must have had 100's of complaints.


I wonder what the Garmin truck SatNav's do ?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Difficult to lay the blame with Here maps for this one.
Here have the minor road tagged with an average speed of <40mph and the major road tagged with an average speed of <64mph (in both cases there is a short section within the village tagged as <30mph).
The major road is 4.7 miles long. I recon that to be 4.4 minutes at 64mph.
The minor road is 3.4 miles long. I recon that to be 5.1 minutes at 40mph.
So the time to travel should be lower for the major road than it is for the minor road.
It doesn't seem logical for the Garmin to pick the minor road.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PP algorithm. That's what's wrong.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it's not. I've just plugged that route into BaseCamp and then sent it to my device. Both take the A832. I even recalculated on my DS50 to be sure. So something isn't right with the OPs device, either a routing or avoidance setting or a map update requiring a master reset.

I was able to force it along the minor road by selecting shortest route, which is what I'd expect.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was talking generally rather than specifically. Why do you keep defending Garmin's less that optimum routeing algorithm?
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