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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 11:26 am    Post subject: Speeding Tickets Issued Against Guidelines Reply with quote

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Speed camera campaigner, Mike Burns, has complained that speed cameras that have ticketed hundreds of drivers across Tayside are not following prescribed guidelines.

The rules, as set out in a handbook distributed in May 2015, says that mobile speed cameras: "must be publicised before enforcement commences and should be updated on relevant web pages and through social media and press releases".

However, press releases have not been sent and web pages not been updated since July 24 2015 - the time when the police transferred their former camera partnership, "SafeTayside", into the new "North Safety Camera Unit".

Mr. Burns commented: "It casts a shadow over the operation in its entirety as being unprofessional and ignorant of their obligations."

He added "The unit is not meeting the conditions of funding, yet is still being funded. It has been operating in breach of funding for 10 months and is failing to provide any information to the public on activities and site selection statistics."

Police Scotland cited "system difficulties" and said that they would be launching a new website soon.

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bottom line is if your speeding your speeding, putting yourself and others in additional danger.

Just take the fine for breaking the law and be done with it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it amazing what government departments, MPs etc. can get away with by using the 'excuse' accounting error or administrative error, whereas us Joe Public would likely get done and maybe banged up for a similar 'error'.
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kremmen wrote:
The bottom line is if your speeding your speeding, putting yourself and others in additional danger.


Can you quantify what the extra danger from speeding at 10% over the limit is?

Because most mornings I see drivers putting others in extra danger and nothing done because authorities would rather deal with easily to do with numbers and put incentives to show improvements rather than really deal with dangerous driving
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easily, the faster you're going the more damage you do when you hit something, particularly so if it's a pedestrian. Equally you're more likely to hit something because the faster you're going the longer it takes you to stop.

As to enforcement of speed limits, that's a completely different ball game. You can of course help in this, stick to the speed limit and those behind will probably have to as well, so you're helping everyone Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally agree Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sussamb wrote:
Easily, the faster you're going the more damage you do when you hit something, particularly so if it's a pedestrian. Equally you're more likely to hit something because the faster you're going the longer it takes you to stop.


So how much more longer does it take to stop at 33mph than 30mph - I'd suggest it is almost negligible difference on a modern well maintain car.

Some of the other factors that you might want to consider are the slower you go the longer the journey will take, the longer you have to concentrate thus more likely you are to have a lapse in concentration.

The longer you are on a road the more chance there is of something random happening and the more chance you are tired and will make mistakes.

Then there is how much concentration does it take to monitor your speed to maintain the speed limit - the more often you glance down at the speedometer the more chance you have of missing something important.

I don't think it is anywhere as simple as people think and until people stop thinking so the authorities will continue to ignore the more dangerous aspects of driver behaviour.
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Countering that you don't get anywhere that much quicker by driving at 33 than by driving at 30 Wink

And the actual difference it makes in overall stopping distance is immaterial. Fact is faster you go longer it takes, even if its only an inch or two, and its not at most speeds, it can make the difference in whether you hit something or not.

Following your logic to conclusion we should all drive as fast as possible so the journey is over as quickly as possible, do you really think that would reduce accidents or be less dangerous Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimmyTheHand wrote:
The longer you are on a road the more chance there is of something random happening.
Based on that theory then, it's best to jump a red light at 100MPH because you are exposed to the danger for less time? So there seems to be something wrong with your theory as the latter example is plain wrong and stupid. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time for some science regarding speed, stopping distance and 'damage'.

Assuming a car has a constant deceleration, then the distance required to stop is proportional to (speed)squared, so the stopping distance at 33 mph is about 21% longer than at 30 mph.

Similarly with kinetic energy (or 'impact energy') - at 40 mph your vehicle has 77% more KE than at 30 mph. If you hit eg a pedestrian, they acquire a certain proportion of the car's velocity, which is why the probability of killing someone increases rapidly with what appears to be relatively modest increases in speed.

As for the argument 'the longer you are on the road, the more likely something random (=bad) will happen' is true, but risk = probability x consequence, and as per the above, the 'consequence' increases very rapidly with speed and thus the overall risk increases greatly as your speed increases.

Regarding 'sneaky' speed cameras, others before me in this and other threads have eloquently stated the obvious: don't speed and thus you don't get caught. I usually drive with my TT GO app running (because where i live there are loads of roadworks and random congestion and I often need to divert) and my app 'dings' at me if I (very rarely) stray over the limit.
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="M8TJT"]
JimmyTheHand wrote:
sussamb wrote:
The longer you are on a road the more chance there is of something random happening.
Based on that theory then, it's best to jump a red light at 100MPH because you are exposed to the danger for less time? So there seems to be something wrong with your theory as the latter example is plain wrong and stupid. Rolling Eyes


Note that wasn't what I said, something gone wrong with your quote Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry suss. Quote fixed.
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're forgiven Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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