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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:01 pm    Post subject: Tailgating Worries Following Speed Camera Introduction Reply with quote

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A local councillor has expressed concern that lorries are tailgating cars because of the introduction of average speed cameras on a stretch of the M4 in the Port Talbot area. The cameras were activated between junction 40 and 41 in January this year.

Councillor John Warman said, "Iím concerned that since these cameras have gone up, there has been quite a bit of tailgating with lorries. It is very dangerous. You get these lorries going right behind you, so closely, when the average speed limit is in force. You canít go faster because it is 50mph. Itís intimidating people." He acknowledges that cars also tailgate through the camera system.

Warman intends to alert the authorities of the problem and would like the police the patrol the stretch of motorway.

The Go Safe Partnership commented: "Work is currently ongoing to provide a technical enforcement solution to those that are breaking the law by driving too close, although police can give on the spot penalty notices to those that are driving carelessly."

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is of course what happens when you replace marked police cars with cameras. Speeding becomes the only offence recorded where as with marked cars driving behaviour improves. There is a very long stretch of "Specs" through road works on the A1 in North Yorkshire. Thankfully I use my sat nav to allow me to travel at more than an indicated 50 mph on my speedometer and that usually allows me to creep away from HGVs sat no more than a car's length behind my boot lid. But of course there is always the "bright" HGV driver who does exactly the same thing leaving me with the thought of 44 tonnes of HGV rearranging the metalwork of my car. But as long as HM Government and the police can earn money from speed cameras, why would they ever consider putting police cars that we can all see back on the roads. I travelled the best part of 700 miles at the weekend, mostly on motorways and dual carriageways and saw not one marked police car. I did however see at least 5 unmarked vehicles, notable by the fact that they were travelling just under the speed limit. As I was perhaps just over the limit they didn't bother with me, no doubt not wishing to uncloak themselves for a motorist travelling a few mph above the limit.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one situation where I put cruise control on and 'do the limit' regardless.

I've personally not been bullied in specs zones but I can see how lorries may want to shield their front number plates by tailgating as specs face forwards don't they?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kremmen wrote:
This is one situation where I put cruise control on and 'do the limit' regardless.

I've personally not been bullied in specs zones but I can see how lorries may want to shield their front number plates by tailgating as specs face forwards don't they?


Agree with the cruise control solution. Trouble is latest TomTom shows average speed and if you have not synchronised in time it can be misleading.
In Germany they do have cameras for recording tailgating. It records the distance between vehicles and the speed. There is then a simple look up chart that says distance this, speed that, fine this much. Pay up! That has been in place for at least 20 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is because lorry speedometers are calibrated accurately, therefore when they are doing 50, YOUR speedo holds you back at less than that.

It's not a tailgating problem unless there are cars blocking two lanes so that lorries can't pass them.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure all the specs zones I've used are a wide inner lane and 2 narrow outer lanes which does stop the trucks overtaking.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. The three lane ones are invariably signed for lanes 1 and 2 'Any Vehicle', and lane 3 for 'Vehicles under 6' 6"' (or something like that). The only slight variation is for vehicles over xx wide to straddle first two lanes.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bunty1948 wrote:
This is of course what happens when you replace marked police cars with cameras. Speeding becomes the only offence recorded where as with marked cars driving behaviour improves.

I think that that is a fair observation, certainly in my 20+ years of driving, I have noticed a gradual decline of marked police vehicles on the M40 and trunk roads in Oxfordshire and the surrounding counties, in fact I don't know the last time that I saw a marked police vehicle that was just patrolling as opposed to using "blues and twos" to get somewhere fast. I'm sure that an immediate "ticking off" by a stern policeman at the time of an offence is far more effective that a NIP 14 days after the offence took place - but tickings off don't raise revenue while NIPs do! Rolling Eyes

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I think this is because lorry speedometers are calibrated accurately, therefore when they are doing 50, YOUR speedo holds you back at less than that.

I tend to drive to the speed indicated on my SatNav/CamerAlert and in SPECS zones I generally drive in lane 1, i.e. the widest lane where lorries mainly go. I have found that some (noticeably the foreign registered) lorries do want to go faster and they will overtake.

Mind you, there are always some rogue drivers (and not always HGV ones) so it might not be a bad idea to have a rear facing dash camera.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many HGV drivers depend on their speed limiter in the road works

Although the official limit is 56 mph for factory set ones many fleet companies drop this to 52 or 53 mph so the drivers just sit on their limiter and get right up your boot if you are not moving as fast as they would like.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DennisN wrote:
No. The three lane ones are invariably signed for lanes 1 and 2 'Any Vehicle', and lane 3 for 'Vehicles under 6' 6"' (or something like that). The only slight variation is for vehicles over xx wide to straddle first two lanes.


I think (carefully) that you are both saying the same thing. There has always been confusion with the naming of lanes ever since the Highways Agency decided that we couldn't use Slow, Middle and Fast lanes on three lane motorways.

As a designer I had to think lanes 1,2,3 and sometimes 4. Inner and Outer lanes are respectively 1 and 3/4 but of course some people call the inner lane the one next to the central reserve barrier, which it is not. Thank God I retired before they brought in Managed Motorways or are they now Smart Motorways, with the part time lane, which was and should be the hard shoulder. How do they number/name that lane?

Anyway having gone completely off topic now, I would still like to see more marked Police cars to allow common sense to return to the policing of our highways and hopefully the bad drivers, no matter what they are driving spoken to when they drive inappropriately.

I'd willingly pay a little more tax to be able to relax and enjoy my driving as I did for many years.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think of:

Lane 1: the first, Nearside, left hand lane (i.e. slow)
Lane 2: The middle lane
Lane 3: The The fast lane

When a road has more lanes then just keep counting from left to right.

Bunty1948 wrote:
Thank God I retired before they brought in Managed Motorways or are they now Smart Motorways, with the part time lane, which was and should be the hard shoulder. How do they number/name that lane?


Coming from an IT background, I'd call the hard shoulder Lane 0 (zero). Smile

Bunty1948 wrote:
Anyway having gone completely off topic now, I would still like to see more marked Police cars to allow common sense to return to the policing of our highways and hopefully the bad drivers, no matter what they are driving spoken to when they drive inappropriately.

I'd willingly pay a little more tax to be able to relax and enjoy my driving as I did for many years.

I don't think that I'd go that far - I've just renewed my car tax and the Government wont even give me a convenient round piece of coloured paper to put on my windscreen that I can look at occasionally to remind me when to tax the car again! Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
Coming from an IT background, I'd call the hard shoulder Lane 0 (zero). Smile

Does that mean that lane 2 is lane 10, lane 3 is lane 11 and lane 4 is lane 100?

It had better - it's taken me half an hour to look that up and work it out. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DennisN wrote:
Does that mean that lane 2 is lane 10, lane 3 is lane 11 and lane 4 is lane 100?

In Binary, that would be correct.

Now, computers also use Hexadecimal, so Dennis, what's the answer in Hex? Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some still use Octal so that's Dennis out till Easter.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was brought up on twelvetal and twentytal (but that was back in the good old days when a US cent was worth a d penny). Also sixteental, fourteental, onehundredandtwelvetal and onethousandsevenhundredandsixtytal.

For a couple of years I worked at a company which used octal (cloth measurement, yards octal).

This new modern stuff is very confusing. I still think in twelvetal and threetal.
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