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The end of CamerAlert for iOS?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomtom isn't affected like cameralert is because they use a simple login for hd traffic and as you can only log in once at any one time, they aren't affected.

Of course you can move the subscription between devices if you change phone model or switch to the iPad for instance, but these are time restricted and can only move subscription between current and new device once per day off the top of my head.

Because cameralert needs a unique identifier per device, this login method doesn't work a MaFt has just explained.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it somehow be possible for a trusted third party, Apple even, to hold a escrow database of permitted device IDs? Might even enhance their contribution to the Patriot Act!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kritou wrote:
Would it somehow be possible for a trusted third party, Apple even, to hold a escrow database of permitted device IDs? Might even enhance their contribution to the Patriot Act!!
Apple aren't there to provide a service they exist to make money, Why would they change their Modus Operandi for CA?, what's in it for them?.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AliOnHols wrote:
Kritou wrote:
Would it somehow be possible for a trusted third party, Apple even, to hold a escrow database of permitted device IDs? Might even enhance their contribution to the Patriot Act!!
Apple aren't there to provide a service they exist only to make money. Why would they change their Raison d'Ítre for CA?, what's in it for them?.

Edited, confused my Latin for my French.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AliOnHols wrote:
Edited, confused my Latin for my French.
Ach, Schade! El Spainso is so difficult.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaFt wrote:
alan_dr wrote:
So if TT will probably work why can't CamerAlert use a similar mechanism?


Because TomTom are already flouting the rules. Or, rather, they've not been given the same hoops to jump through as we were. For example we were forced to allow subscriptions to be used across all a users devices. BUT TomTom traffic etc can only be used on one device at a time. If you log in on another device then it logs you out of the other.

I can only assume that Apple have been lenient on other things too.

MaFt

For me, the ability to have a working CamerAlert is paramount to having the ability to use it on more than one (Apple) device. So limit it to just one, please. It's not as if you'd be doing anything all the others aren't. AND, when you first introduced it, it was one iOS device only.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DennisN wrote:
For me, the ability to have a working CamerAlert is paramount to having the ability to use it on more than one (Apple) device. So limit it to just one, please. It's not as if you'd be doing anything all the others aren't. AND, when you first introduced it, it was one iOS device only.


It's not our choice. Apple state that it must work on ANY device owned by the iTunes account holder - otherwise it gets rejected.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaFt wrote:
DennisN wrote:
For me, the ability to have a working CamerAlert is paramount to having the ability to use it on more than one (Apple) device. So limit it to just one, please. It's not as if you'd be doing anything all the others aren't. AND, when you first introduced it, it was one iOS device only.


It's not our choice. Apple state that it must work on ANY device owned by the iTunes account holder - otherwise it gets rejected.

MaFt


Well, it doesn't work on my 27" iMac:twisted:
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DennisN wrote:

Well, it doesn't work on my 27" iMac:twisted:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, it doesn't work on my 27" iMac:twisted:

Install XCode and the iOS simulator then :p
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm new to iOS so please bear with me

If I did wish to upgrade my device to iOS7 could I not look for a cheap iPhone 3G, say, and run it as a standalone CA system without a sim?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without a SIM you don't get the map (data download on the hoof).
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Without a SIM you don't get the map (data download on the hoof).


Quite so, but if mapping is not required and iOS 4.2 will run CA this might be a workaround for some. I currently and effectively run CA on a Touch (with a BT GPS)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kritou wrote:
DennisN wrote:
Without a SIM you don't get the map (data download on the hoof).


Quite so, but if mapping is not required and iOS 4.2 will run CA this might be a workaround for some. I currently and effectively run CA on a Touch (with a BT GPS)


Yes. That'd work.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaFt, here's a suggestion, I don't know it it will work:

When an iOS user starts CamerAlert, CamerAlert contacts the PGPSW server an asks for authentication (done from knowing user-id and password) a marker is added to that user-id on the PGPSW server and CamerAlert sent a unique authorisation code to allow it to run.

Should another iOS user start CamerAlert with the same user-id and password then during the authentication at the PGPSW server will fail and CamerAlert will show an appropriate message, i.e. "Your details are in use on another CamerAlert at the moment"

When the original user ends CamerAlert then CamerAlert contacts the PGPSW server an asks for the marker to be removed.

You would need to have a manual function to release the marker just in case there's a problem with the phone.

The system allows people to share their details of CamerAlert with trusted people as only one person could use it at a time.

You could even also increase the number of markers allowed per user-id so that a family could use the same user details on multiple devices, say up to a maximum of 3.

I know that it's not ideal and that you would need a robust server system.

Just a thought.
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