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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:19 am    Post subject: Villagers Set Up Fake Speed Camera Reply with quote

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A resident in the Nottinghamshire Village of Ompton has installed a fake speed camera on private land in an attempt to curb the speed of traffic in the 40mph limit.

Costing 250, the fake speed camera has been sited to the side of the busy A616. Council officials say they are powerless to act because it is on private land although they did state that the land owner would be liable if an accident occurs and the fake camera is cited as a factor.

Interestingly, I don't recall officials saying they'd be liable in the event of an accident where a real speed camera was cited as a factor?

Source: BBC.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guess it will only stop speeding in one direction Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is really interesting! If a council Official really did say that , and he can be checked to see where and how he arrived at this opinion (Held by many motorists to be true,) that the sudden braking before a speed camera is dangerous, then a case for removals or better still signposting the cameras is really launched ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gurubarry wrote:
If a council Official really did say that {snip}the sudden braking before a speed camera is dangerous
Did he say that? If so what relevant bearing does that have on raising money?
The only relevent fact is that the council, or whoever, is not getting any money from this 'cam' Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lack of road markings are a clue but as most speeders are local its effect will be limited anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:33 am    Post subject: Fake Speed Camera Reply with quote

Is it going to be included in the speed camera database?

Do we need a new category: Gatso@fake? People who don't know it's a fake are sure to report it.

This one has obviously received publicity, but I wonder how many more fake ones there are, which everyone believes to be genuine?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:40 am    Post subject: did he say that? Reply with quote

BBC News: councillor admits Embarassed owners liability if accidents are caused by fake speed cameras http://bbc.in/yfmH3q , yes its actually in the video clip he really did say that... so that'll apply to all speed cameras fake or not then?... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: did he say that? Reply with quote

unwanted wrote:
BBC News: councillor admits Embarassed owners liability if accidents are caused by fake speed cameras http://bbc.in/yfmH3q , yes its actually in the video clip he really did say that... so that'll apply to all speed cameras fake or not then?... Very Happy


Not necessarily, unfortunately. If you listen to the whole clip, he does seem to pin the liklihood of accidents on the fact that there is no camera warning sign. If a real camera has a warning sign, this wouldn't apply.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because a Councillor says something, does it makes it legally binding?

I did not think a Councillor had any legal powers or rights over and above us mere mortal citizens. In fact councillors are just civilians like you or me and trying to do good for their local communities.

In my understanding:
If an accident happens, then police investigate and then submit findings to their decision maker. The police decision maker reviews the evidence and either takes it to court or will push it further up the ranks to let CPS(Crown Prosecution Service) decide whether there will be a prosecution or not? Once it gets to court then a Magistrate or judge (depending on court) will deliver a verdict. Only then will a precedent take place that other cases can be tested by.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:02 pm    Post subject: Possibly have a letter from Gatso in the post Reply with quote

Looking at the BBC video, the camero appears to have the Gatso company logo on it. I suspect that is infringing their trademark (if it is trademarked).
If so, could have a letter from the company warning of the infringement.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So they paint it out. Simples!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If an accident happens?

What sort of accident would they be expecting?

Driver driving too fast? slams on brakes when he sees speed camera and driver behind hits him = two drivers driving too fast and one tailgating or driving too close?

Driver driving too fast? slams on brakes when he sees speed camera and loses control = driver driving to fast for road conditions.

Lets put this into another scenario where the camera happens to be a child who runs into the road maybe as far as 50m up the road and the driver makes the decision to brake and an accident occurs do you prosecute the child?

I am not by anyway in favour of speed cameras but if there is a problem in an area then why not - more police presence on the roads clearing up on offences such as defective lights, seatbelts, phone usage and suspected speeding and when a driver is stopped the vehicle is inspected and the driver given tickets for car defects would deter some of the idiots we have on our roads currently.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone down the road needs to get a warning sign made up Very Happy

If I were the local police force I would get a speed camera down there now and start collecting the revenue - if they do this can I have lifetime camera alert membership please for prempting the camera site Very Happy
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