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Joined: 24/06/2003 22:00:35 Posts: 26 Location: London, UK
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:13 am Post subject: TomTom again trying to withold services we have paid for ...
Just updated GO live 750, then was presented with the following ...
... section in red is interesting ...
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Only if you give us your permission, your navigation device will continuously collect information and send it to TomTom at regular intervasls. The information is also stored on your device until you connect it to your PC, then the information is sent to TomTom and deleted from your device. The information includes details that identify the navigation device, details about routes and locations, your MyTomTom account name and information entered while you were using the navigation device.
TomTom uses this information to be able to deliver LIVE services to you and to improve the HD Traffic service.
Within twenty minutes of switching off your navigation device, TomTom automatically and irreversibly destroys any data that allows identification of you or your device. This, now anonymous, information is used to improve TomTom’s products and services, such as maps, reports on Points of Interest and average speeds driven. These products and services are also used by government agencies and businesses.
Using your navigation device, you can join the MapShare Community or report speed cameras. If you choose to use either of these services, your reports, that include location information and your MyTomTom account name, are sent to TomTom and kept together with your MyToimTom account. TomTom then uses your information to improive its maps and speed cameras.
If you no longer allow sharing of information, none of the above information is sent to TomTom and information previousl;y stored on your device is deleted. You won’t be able to receive HD Traffic or mobile speed camera locations, or use any other LIVE services. TomTom will not give anyone else access to the information collected from your navigation device.
In choosing to provide TomTom with information you are helpimng to Make driving better,specifically by improving maps, traffic flows and reducing congestion. We appreciate your help.
Note: The length or end date of your service subscription does not change if you do not allow shairing of information.
This navigation device uses a GSM network that contains location information about your navigation device. By law, the network operator may be required to retain this location and other information for law enforcement purposes and TomTom has no influence over this. If you disable information sharing the mobile network connection is not active and the network operator cannot store location information.
If you think that your informnation is not being used for the purpose for which you have provided it to TomTom, contact us at http://tomtom.com/support.
So if I don't agree, my LIVE services (paid for - in red) will be deactivated unless I give permission to let them collect my movements AND account details including account name ...
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:38 am Post subject:
I think it's being discussed already....
Thing is... you always gave your permission in the past. They've now just spelled out exactly what happens when you don't.
I suspect it was all in the small print when you first signed up for LIVE Services anyway, it just wasn't so obvious.
The only thing they haven't explained is how (or whether ) they would reimburse you if you refused now. Again, I expect that's in the small print.
BTW, to keep discussion on this point all in the same place, I've deleted your duplicate post in the software download topic. _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-)
......The only thing they haven't explained is how (or whether ) they would reimburse you if you refused now. Again, I expect that's in the small print.....
I was wondering about that also because TomTom's statement :-
ABeeBeeSee wrote:
......If you no longer allow sharing of information, ............ You won’t be able to receive HD Traffic or mobile speed camera locations, or use any other LIVE services.....
and
ABeeBeeSee wrote:
....Note: The length or end date of your service subscription does not change if you do not allow shairing of information.....
seems to contradict itself. _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
Android with CamerAlert, OsmAnd+, Waze & TT Europe.
TomTom GO 730, GO 930, GO 940 & Rider2.
SatMap Active 10 & 20.
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:39 am Post subject: Re: TomTom again trying to withold services we have paid for
ABeeBeeSee wrote:
The information includes details that identify the navigation device, details about routes and locations, your MyTomTom account nameand information entered while you were using the navigation device.
{SNIP}
This,now anonymous, information is used to improve TomTom’s products and services,
It does not contradict itself at all. If you don't agree, you don't get live and you don't get a refund. Simples.
But my point does seem to contradicy itself. Its either anonymous, or they collect your username. It can't be both.
I see your point, but reading the two snippets I referred to above, the first says that if you don't agree, TT shall stop LIVE services and the second snippet implies that if you don't agree, TT shall not curtail your LIVE subscription. If not contradictory, it's certainly confusing (well, to me at least). _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
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TomTom GO 730, GO 930, GO 940 & Rider2.
SatMap Active 10 & 20.
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:57 am Post subject:
Ah. I see how you are reading it now. I read the second bit like you won't get any money back, and you read it such that your live service will not be curtailed. That's a really good ambiguous statement, isn't it
Clever _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
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TomTom GO 730, GO 930, GO 940 & Rider2.
SatMap Active 10 & 20.
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:29 am Post subject: Re: TomTom again trying to withold services we have paid for
ABeeBeeSee wrote:
This, now anonymous, information is used to improve TomTom’s products and services, such as maps, reports on Points of Interest and average speeds driven. These products and services are also used by government agencies and businesses.
The key word here is 'now'; it sounds like they initially collect information including your account name and then anonymise the information before using it internally and passing it on.
But Someone somewhere keeps ALL the information, just in case they can think of a use for it.
ABeeBeeSee wrote:
.....This navigation device uses a GSM network that contains location information about your navigation device. By law, the network operator may be required to retain this location and other information for law enforcement purposes and TomTom has no influence over this......
_________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
Android with CamerAlert, OsmAnd+, Waze & TT Europe.
TomTom GO 730, GO 930, GO 940 & Rider2.
SatMap Active 10 & 20.
Joined: Mar 15, 2006 Posts: 3219 Location: Windlesham, Surrey
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:48 am Post subject:
AliOnHols wrote:
Andy_P wrote:
......The only thing they haven't explained is how (or whether ) they would reimburse you if you refused now. Again, I expect that's in the small print.....
I was wondering about that also because TomTom's statement :-
ABeeBeeSee wrote:
......If you no longer allow sharing of information, ............ You won’t be able to receive HD Traffic or mobile speed camera locations, or use any other LIVE services.....
and
ABeeBeeSee wrote:
....Note: The length or end date of your service subscription does not change if you do not allow shairing of information.....
seems to contradict itself.
Surely what they mean is your subscription still expires at the same time, but you get nothing for it!
Also, if at some point in the future before your subscription expires you decide to allow sharing, your subscription won't be extended by the period for which you didn't receive Live services. _________________ Anita
TomTom VIA 135 - App 12.075
UK map 1105.11799
Samsung Galaxy S8
Anita, I'm no longer confused, Thanks. _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
Android with CamerAlert, OsmAnd+, Waze & TT Europe.
TomTom GO 730, GO 930, GO 940 & Rider2.
SatMap Active 10 & 20.
Joined: Oct 08, 2007 Posts: 2544 Location: Toronto CANADA
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject:
And......
If you do decide to change your mind and share info AND IF you do decide to do so before the expiry of your current subscription then, well, it's still there for you to use (for the remaining time left......)
Think Shakespeare was right when he said, "First, kill all the lawyers" _________________ David
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:45 am Post subject:
Hey, great quote!
I looked it up, and it's from Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71–78
Quote:
All:
God save your majesty!
Cade:
I thank you, good people—there shall be no money; all shall eat
and drink on my score, and I will apparel them all in one livery,
that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord.
Dick:
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
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