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pcaouolte Frequent Visitor

Joined: Dec 27, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: South Lincs, UK.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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MaFt wrote: | We are also looking at the best way to 'rename' the files from being 'Speed Camera Warnings' to being 'Dangerous Area Warnings'. |
Presumably with a warning along the lines of "Danger area ahead, speed limit 50 kph"? _________________ Paul |
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mpwilson99 Lifetime Member

Joined: Jun 30, 2007 Posts: 462 Location: Hickstead, Sussex
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Just a cosmetic bug, if I last downloaded a databse for the UK, it shouldnt really have French/Swiss on it, as that should be obvious!
Other - ASC [ UK - Single file with all cameras | pMobiles: Yes | French: No | Swiss: No ] _________________ TomTom 700 GO user since Dec 2005.
TomTom PDA XDA user since Dec 2007.
TomTom HTC HD2 user since Jul 2012. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man


Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Possessing a radar warning
The possession, transport and use of warning radars - which correlate data on the position of the radar with the actual position of the vehicle calculated by the GPS - is prohibited. | Just to frog the issue a bit more. It does NOT say that you can posess etc. one with another country's cams, so is it prohibited to posess etc. a device with UK cams on it in France?????
EDIT: Just read back a bit and found the smart a** MaFt had already beaten me to this one. However it seems that TT think that just removing the French cams will do, and we know how accurate they can be, don't we???  |
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff


Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15331 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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mpwilson99 wrote: | Just a cosmetic bug, if I last downloaded a databse for the UK, it shouldnt really have French/Swiss on it, as that should be obvious!
Other - ASC [ UK - Single file with all cameras | pMobiles: Yes | French: No | Swiss: No ] |
Yup, it IS obvious, but it's still true. You didn't get the French or Swiss data Ergo it is not a bug
It's something I'll look at 'improving' but the main aim of today was to allow users to 'reject' the French data if they did not want to take the risk.
MaFt
PS - just a cosmetic bug, but you missed an "a" out of "database" and missed an apostroph from "shouldn't"  |
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff


Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15331 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Darn it... but at least I'm being a man and admitting it instead of editing it! Yes, I know, I missed the 'e' from 'apostrophe'...
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AliOnHols Pocket GPS Verifier


Joined: Oct 15, 2008 Posts: 1942
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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I know that these are early days and people are still juggling with the effect of the French government's decision but, trying to get my head around it all, does this seem a reasonable summary?
- It's now illegal to have a "device" which warns of Speed Cameras in France.
- It's Legal to have a device which warns of "Dangerous Zones".
- Dangerous Zones are specific areas within each Department as noted by the "Department Prefects".
- All Cameras are installed in a dangerous zone.
- Not all Dangerous Zones have a speed camera.
Q) Does a SatNav/SmartFone/etc. have to have all Dangerous Zones listed to be legal? or can we Cherry Pick just the zones which include the cameras?
I found this French Transport website informative (after a Google Translate!) _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
Android with CamerAlert, OsmAnd+, Waze & TT Europe.
TomTom GO 730, GO 930, GO 940 & Rider2.
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff


Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15331 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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AliOnHols wrote: | Q) Does a SatNav/SmartFone/etc. have to have all Dangerous Zones listed to be legal? or can we Cherry Pick just the zones which include the cameras? |
This is the main thing we're trying to find out from our French pals!
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator


Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Remember that downloading the new version of the database without the French cameras is not enough to comply with the new French law.
You will also need to physically remove the old French data, otherwise it will stay on your Sat-Nav for ever!
I think there needs to be a big announcement to all subscribers to remind them of that. _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-) |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man


Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:32 am Post subject: |
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MaFt wrote: | Darn it... but at least I'm being a man and admitting it instead of editing it! Yes, I know, I missed the 'e' from 'apostrophe'... |
I also notice that of late you seem to have found the shift key on your keyboard. I assume that it's because that you are getting oldder, wiser and less of rebel?  |
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pamdo Lifetime Member

Joined: Jun 15, 2007 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: clarification |
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OK. The law is this in France: you cannot be warned about a specific radar but it is legal to warn drivers that they are entering a radar zone. This is all designed to force drivers to stick to the speed limit since the government rightly or wrongly believes that excess speed causes most accidents (another possible argument here!). In fact the best bet really is just to have the warning that you are exceeding the local speed limit. Yes, all the beeping or whatever is a pain, but at least it will save you money as the fines have also been increased and I'm not sure that foreign drivers cannot lose points also! Certainly, if you drive in France, as a resident, on a UK licence, as many do, if you lose points, you are obliged to convert to a French licence. I expect eventually all EU driving licences will be subject to the same rules and penalties. In France they are gradually changing to a credit card type licence too. |
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff


Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15331 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Andy_P wrote: | Remember that downloading the new version of the database without the French cameras is not enough to comply with the new French law.
You will also need to physically remove the old French data, otherwise it will stay on your Sat-Nav for ever!
I think there needs to be a big announcement to all subscribers to remind them of that. |
The French data will be removed when the user updates the database. There are no changed or removed files, just the content of the files.
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator


Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the clarification MaFt
(well... more than a clarification... more pointing out that I was wrong ) _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-) |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man


Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: clarification |
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pamdo wrote: | I expect eventually all EU driving licences will be subject to the same rules and penalties | as the Germans and French  |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator


Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:20 am Post subject: Re: clarification |
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pamdo wrote: | In France they are gradually changing to a credit card type licence too. |
Is that so you can pay your fines more easily?  _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-) |
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RogerTil Lifetime Member

Joined: Aug 01, 2011 Posts: 42
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:00 am Post subject: |
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ooops, sent this twice...
Last edited by RogerTil on Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:24 am; edited 1 time in total |
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