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RobBrady Frequent Visitor
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 2718 Location: Chelmsford, UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:52 pm Post subject: Do Less Speed Cameras Mean Less Deaths? |
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The Daily Mail has claimed that "Axing speed cameras has caused road deaths to FALL". They state that fatalities have fallen by 14 per cent in three months - a period when over half the UK's speed cameras have been reportedly switched off due to the government's funding cuts.
Any correlation between the roads where the accidents occurred and the inactive speed camera sites was not given.
The Mail may have its figures confused however as they report "More than half – 44.7 per cent – are now switched off"... so I think it's fair to assume that it's less than half!
There were 510 fatalities on the UK's roads between July and September 2010, down from 596 during the same quarter in 2009.
Joint figures for those killed or seriously injured during the 3 months fell by 5 per cent, from 7,115 to 6,740. Also, last year to September, the total road deaths were down 3 per cent while the number killed or seriously injured reduced by 8 per cent. _________________ Robert Brady |
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Darren Frequent Visitor
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Do Less Speed Cameras Mean Less Deaths? |
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Quote: | Any correlation between the roads where the accidents occurred and the inactive speed camera sites was not given. |
Ugh, Daily Mail. The fact that there is no correlation between the reduction and axed cameras says it all really - yet more hokum from that horrid rag.
And even if there was direct evidence, data from a 3mth period is far too small to draw any statistical conclusion.
It would need evidence from multiple-sites at the very least, to prove a correlation between inactive cameras and falling accident numbers. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Do Less Speed Cameras Mean Less Deaths? |
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Darren wrote: | Ugh, Daily Mail. The fact that there is no correlation between the reduction and axed cameras says it all really - yet more hokum from that horrid rag. | I read the DM avidly and believe everything it says As I have obviously been misled, could you please offer an alternative, which is more factual and in line with my conservative leanings? |
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fordfocus Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Even if they are switched off, unless they are covering the camera head with a bag displaying "Not In Use", then a driver would have no idea of it's status and would surely check their speed.
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Darren Frequent Visitor
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Do Less Speed Cameras Mean Less Deaths? |
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M8TJT wrote: | I read the DM avidly and believe everything it says As I have obviously been misled, could you please offer an alternative, which is more factual and in line with my conservative leanings? |
More factual than the Daily Mail? Viz? _________________ Darren Griffin |
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Darren Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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fordfocus wrote: | Even if they are switched off, unless they are covering the camera head with a bag displaying "Not In Use", then a driver would have no idea of it's status and would surely check their speed. |
Good point. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Do Less Speed Cameras Mean Less Deaths? |
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M8TJT wrote: | I read the DM avidly and believe everything it says As I have obviously been misled, could you please offer an alternative, which is more factual and in line with my conservative leanings? |
As your current reading choice obviously marks you as a man of superior intelligence, can I suggest a suitable alternative for you which is well-known for its traditional, conservative, viewpoint would be the Guardian?
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spook51 Lifetime Member
Joined: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 548 Location: East Midlands
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pdfbt40 Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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As Darran and fordfocus point out, there is a lot more to demonstrating any correlation between 'turning off cameras' and reduced accident reports (I wouldn't even call them statistics) over a 3 month period.
Of course the daily press are not going to consult a statistician or mathematician concerning the 'significance' of the 3 months data let alone correlation to any/other factors.
It would be nice to think that those areas where the coalitions which use to be the safety cameras partnerships, have with a change of name and emphasis actually achieved something as a 'safety partnership'. Mine allegedly targets anti social driving now !! |
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JimmyTheHand Frequent Visitor
Joined: Apr 16, 2005 Posts: 386
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Do Less Speed Cameras Mean Less Deaths? |
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News Team wrote: | There were 510 fatalities on the UK's roads between July and September 2010, down from 596 during the same quarter in 2009 |
I wonder if the fact fuel prices are rising and people are cutting back on expenses, such as driving, have anything to do with it! _________________ J. |
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RobBrady Frequent Visitor
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 2718 Location: Chelmsford, UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Do Less Speed Cameras Mean Less Deaths? |
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JimmyTheHand wrote: | News Team wrote: | There were 510 fatalities on the UK's roads between July and September 2010, down from 596 during the same quarter in 2009 |
I wonder if the fact fuel prices are rising and people are cutting back on expenses, such as driving, have anything to do with it! |
Apparently traffic volume fell by only 1.3 per cent during that period. _________________ Robert Brady |
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15297 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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but driving a bit slower may use less fuel. so, of those who drove slower (i.e. didn't get caught by this camera) how many were doing so because of the camera etc or cos they wanted to save fuel? there are too many variables to link it just like that!
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Calomax Lifetime Member
Joined: Sep 30, 2005 Posts: 988 Location: St Martin's, Guernsey
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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pdfbt40 wrote: | Of course the daily press are not going to consult a statistician or mathematician concerning the 'significance' of the 3 months data let alone correlation to any/other factors. | They wouldn't want a few facts get in the way of a good story _________________ TT Go Essential |
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dlpruk Regular Visitor
Joined: Dec 24, 2006 Posts: 88 Location: Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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I assume this thread is about FEWER cameras or are we counting 'em by the gallon? |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Less gallons?? It would be fewer gallons as well. |
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