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Joined: Mar 10, 2007 Posts: 55 Location: Corringham,Essex
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject: Errors on Database??? (Cameras on level Xings) - Resolved
On two previous occasions I have submitted a request for removal of REDLIGHT:58679@60 and REDLIGHT:34500@60, the requests have been shown on the submission page for a couple of months waiting verification, then removed with no action taken of the request
These are painted grey and located one on either side of a level crossing, they are obviously not traffic lights, the lights are alternating amber, they are safety cameras as fitted to all single barrier level crossing on the Fenchurch Street line which are monitored elswhere, enabling the controllers to see any vehicle or people on the crossing.
This is the only location which has cameras shown on the Data base.
While not the usual way of verifying they can be clearly seen on Google Earth, or if prefered I can take a photograph and send that to you.
The road on which they are located is named High Road, a Google error further south has it wrongly named as High Road, Woodford Green, which is miles away, maybe that is the reason.
I look forward to your comments. _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2589, IPad2, RAC 05'
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15142 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:49 pm Post subject:
verifiers comments relating to the remove requests:
Quote:
MaFt, with reference to our recent PM re: High Road, Fobbing, Essex
pREMOVE:65830 and pREMOVE:65831
I have re-checked the location this morning on leaving the adjacent motel and I can confirm that there is a Gatso camera covering each direction. As I said in the PM, they are linked to the red flashing lights and half-barriers for the Southend-London rail line, so are a little different to most Redlight cams, but I still believe they should be included as they are a 'points on licence' camera and as they are an unusual feature at this type of crossing in Essex, obviously are there for a very good reason.
For your decision as to Rejecting pREMOVE request. You might even like to consider changing them to a standard Gatso speed cam, but my feeling is that RedLight is the more appropriate category.
unfortunately i no longer have the PM that the verifier is referring to but from memory it basically said 'there are cameras there - i will check again in the morning'
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15142 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject:
and some others:
Quote:
High Road, Fobbing
pREMOVE:67548 and pREMOVE:67549 - Reject both - These are the Redlight cameras that operate on the high speed rail line and have been subject of removal requests before. They are there specifically to reduce the "flashing red lights" gamblers.
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Errors on Database???
rayle wrote:
These are painted grey and located one on either side of a level crossing, they are obviously not traffic lights, the lights are alternating amber, they are safety cameras as fitted to all single barrier level crossing on the Fenchurch Street line which are monitored elswhere, enabling the controllers to see any vehicle or people on the crossing.
Redlight cameras are not traffic lights as you seem to think from my interpretation of your post above. Redlight cameras are positioned near traffic lights to trap people who cross the junction against the adjacent traffic lights being set to red. They are usually painted grey, but sometimes painted yellow, especially if they are classified as RedSpeed (trapping redlight infringements AND speeding on green). A couple of example pictures can be seen by scrolling down on the submission page Here
Joined: Sep 06, 2006 Posts: 1618 Location: East Hertfordshire
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:05 am Post subject:
I hope rayle is now convinced - if not yet, then my wife and I can put the matter beyond debate. Some years ago she went through a local crossing red-light (just changed from amber as she was on the line) and picked up the standard fine and points for the offence from a lurking policeman (hopefully he missed his train ) - there was no camera installed.
I checked the legal side as best I could and it was clear that these lights were covered by exactly the same legislation as traffic lights, as are temporary road-works lights.
So these cameras are not just 'like' red-light cameras - they are EXACTLY the same, and clearly belong in the database - well done PGPSW verifiers!
And the more of them that get installed, and recorded in the database, the better I'll be pleased! _________________ David
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Joined: Mar 10, 2007 Posts: 55 Location: Corringham,Essex
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:37 pm Post subject:
M8TJT wrote:
I know what you mean. Look above my avatar. I'm nearly as old as DennisN, who I believe caught the five fishes
I wondered where they went.
Well I Start getting my OAP pension next week, I believe I can get reduced fish and chips, hopefully fresh fish, not one of the five. _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2589, IPad2, RAC 05'
Joined: Mar 15, 2006 Posts: 3219 Location: Windlesham, Surrey
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:42 pm Post subject:
Well that's just typical of Dennis. When I were a lass we were taught there were only two fishes shared out among the 5,000, so I suppose he kept the other three for himself.
And I baked the five loaves, so you're among OAP friends on this forum, rayle! _________________ Anita
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Some years ago she went through a local crossing red-light (just changed from amber as she was on the line) and picked up the standard fine and points for the offence from a lurking policeman 
(hopefully he missed his train 
) - there was no camera installed.
Please still keep reporting. At least your post was not a 'Where's my lifetime?' 
