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MikeB
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Article from the Launch and my first impressions of the TomTom Start are here.
(and in the correct topic this time)
(and I apologise for using the term digit when referring to postcodes in my article too)
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MrT
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Being even more pedantic Darren is actually correct, the START does not have 7 digit postcodes. Neither does it have 7 character postcodes.
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My favourite is a One Horse Race for tandems. 
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Philip, if you look at your posts the blue text is quite legible where they happen to have a white background but blend into the background when it is blue and is almost as hard to read as DennisN's yellow on white, so you have a 50% chance of posting a readable post.
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| Philip wrote: | | Darren wrote: | You win this weeks pedant award  |
I'll add it to the trophy cabinet :-) |
Philip perhaps you need the “to borrow from John Cleese, the bleeding obvious” trophy as well  |
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Kremmen
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:07 am Post subject: |
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I expected the TT Start to be quite reasonably priced considering it's target audience, but you can get a TT One (with 7 alphanumeric postcode input) for the same price if you shop around.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| DennisN wrote: | | I am NOT a BETA tester |
As far as TomTom is concerned, we're ALL beta testers. |
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Now that it appears the 7 character postal code is coming back for the UK, if TT decides to implement pois in driving view, they may actually sell a unit or two of this model.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:29 am Post subject: TomTom Start - POIs not visible in driving mode |
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I've done some further tests on my TomTom Start (before sending it back!) and it appears that POIs ARE displayed in the "Where Am I" view as well as the Browse Map view. This suggests to me that there is a (yet) unacknowledged bug in the omission of the POI display in the driving view, since the Where Am I view does update as the vehicle moves. Of course you can't use a TomTom Start with a PocketGPS set of Safety Camera POIs for this reason.
The built in warnings for Safety Cameras are also fairly pathetic. There is no display of the camera on the map until you get to within about 400 yards and then you get a couple of bleeps and a small flashing icon on the screen. There is not a great deal of time to react if you are not expecting the alert. |
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mikealder
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: Re: TomTom Start - POIs not visible in driving mode |
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| dqj_99 wrote: | | The built in warnings for Safety Cameras are also fairly pathetic. |
There is only one sure fire way to avoid a fine and points when you rely upon the TomTom Safety Camera database and thats to leave the car at home and walk - It simply isn't good enough to trust - Mike |
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DennisN
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: TomTom Start - POIs not visible in driving mode |
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| mikealder wrote: | | dqj_99 wrote: | | The built in warnings for Safety Cameras are also fairly pathetic. |
There is only one sure fire way to avoid a fine and points when you rely upon the TomTom Safety Camera database and thats to leave the car at home and walk - It simply isn't good enough to trust - Mike |
Just as an illustration of this, I am updating my XL Live IQ every day via Home as I'm still using the TT cameras on it (masochist, probably). It still has the Swindon fixed cameras on it (somebody remind me when they were de-activated by the Council please - was it April?) and it still has some 40mph Specs average speed cameras on the M4 east of Swindon (how long since those were done away with?). Of course, it doesn't bother me, as I have other devices with pgpsw cameras on, but it has to make you wonder how people can use the TT database when things like that are going on. (Oh, I forgot to mention, they have several mobile cameras here in Keynsham - virtually one man and his dog speed country!! - although they don't have the ONE mobile which does exist here). And I have to agree with dqj_99 about the pathetic warnings - "bleep, bleep" for all of them. They now have 12 (yes, TWELVE) entries in the speed cameras.
Fixed cameras
Mobile cameras
Red light cameras
Toll road cameras
Restricted road cameras
Miscellaneous cameras
Mobile camera hot spots
Average speed cameras
Average speed cameras start/end
Bidirectional cameras
Accident blackspots
Ungated railway crossings
Mobile cameras seem to be possible sites, whereas mobile hot spots seem to be operational cameras "today" (although the only one that's warned me continued to do so for a week afterwards).
By default, they all come default configured with the same "bleep, bleep" warning tone at (I think) 15 seconds in advance of the camera. You can alter the warning tones to "boing boing", "cuckoo, cuckoo", "hoot, hoot" and so on. All it takes is the necessary brainpower to remember which bing, bang, bong or whatever relates to which camera. You'd expect the on screen icon to help out here, but some smartypants at TomTom decided to have beautifully crafted art form icons with so much detail you can't decide what they are at that distance from your head - whip the device off the screen mount and bring it near the end of your nose and some of them may become intelligible, but best not try that on the road! (Mike thinks they look like chinese takeaway signs, but I don't think he's looked close enough - they really are delightful under an electron microscope). You can also alter the time warning to whatever figure of seconds you want. This is the only satisfactory part of the whole business, providing you have an idea of what distance the seconds mean (and if only the warning operates in seconds relating to your speed - 20 seconds at 70mph needs to go off a lot sooner than 20 seconds at 30mph).
Overall, they're a very unreliable non-user-friendly waste of resources, which I'm keeping updated daily for comparison purposes. I shall do away with them just as soon as I can configure my XL Live to display text files.
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