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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: SPECS3 average speed cameras launched Motorcyclists beware Reply with quote

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Last month saw the launch of the latest Average Speed Camera system at Traffex 2009 in Birmingham, UK. This system is called SPECS3 and is a (huge) upgrade to the current Average Speed Cameras SPECS1. Speed cameras have evolved: First we had the single Gatso lying in wait to capture the errant driver, then the speed cameras stalked in pairs to catch your average speed, now with SPECS3 they hunt in packs over an entire area...

These systems can be installed as both front facing or rear-facing cameras. Motorcyclists beware: you are no longer immune to capture.

This article explains what SPECS3 is contrasting it to the Current SPECS1, and we also have a video of the SPECS3 presentation made by SCS Marketing Director Geoff Collins explaining the average speed camera systems.

The current SPECS1 system can only measure your average speed across a measured stretch of road. It has one entry camera and one exit camera. Using an established ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Reader) system a car entering the monitored stretch of road has it's number plate read and an entry time recorded. When the car goes through the exit speed camera site it's plate and time are recorded. The backend system can then calculate the time between the two points, and then as the distance is a precise measurement the average speed of the car can be determined. If it is over the speed threshold for that section then a ticket will be issued.

There are a number of drawbacks to this system. The first of which is that they need to be directly connected to each other, this may not be a problem for a modern road equipped with fibre-optic cabling, but means laying expensive cables where there are no current facilities. There is also a problem in that the cameras are forward facing so unlike the Gatsos will only capture number plates of cars and lorries. With SPECS1 motorcyclists are immune from prosecution as the system simply cannot identify them.

So the new SPECS3 system addresses these points and offers a significant enhancement to the functionality allowing more offences to be captured. The main difference is that speed cameras have evolved: First we had the single Gatso lying in wait to capture the errant driver, then the speed cameras stalked in pairs to catch your average speed, now with SPECS3 they hunt in packs over an entire area... The way this works is similar to the London Congestion Charge zone. All entry and exit points to a particular area will have a camera installed. These connect to the back-office enforcement system in a number of ways depending on the installation, including WiFi, ADSL, Fibre-optic, and even GPRS using cellular technology.

The concept is that these will be installed in areas where speed enforcement is considered essential. This could be on a housing estate, through a town centre, or in some of the new 20 MPH areas being introduced around schools. This is detailed in the graphic below:


The SPECS3 average speed camera system is currently going through Home Office Type Approval and with a number of systems on order we should see them being installed in the near future.

The SPECS3 system was launched at a conference hosted by Steven Norris (former Minister for Transport) at Traffex 2009 in Birmingham last month. Click here to watch a video of the presentation by SCS Marketing Director Geoff Collins explaining the average speed camera systems.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to mention that the video is 17 minutes long...
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should we just hand the keys to The Royal Mint to SCS and allow them to literally print money?
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure they'd love the cash but they get paid the hardware only, not the fines!
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, but the more money the government raises through fines, the more cameras they'll buy to expand coverage and further increase revenue. I wouldn't be surprised if within the next 20 years our entire motorway and major A-road networks will be controlled with these.

It's a wonder they trust us to drive our own cars at all.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt865 wrote:
Should we just hand the keys to The Royal Mint to SCS and allow them to literally print money?


i just hope they DO only use them in areas that need it such as 20mph areas around schools. if they start appearing everywhere then that's gonna get silly...

having said that, just stop for an extra 5 seconds at every junction and that'll soon get your average speed down if it has crept over a little!

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaFt wrote:
just stop for an extra 5 seconds at every junction and that'll soon get your average speed down if it has crept over a little!

That rather defeats the object of hurrying in the first place - aren't you "creeping over a little" by trying to beat the five seconds? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt865 wrote:
True, but the more money the government raises through fines, the more cameras they'll buy to expand coverage and further increase revenue. I wouldn't be surprised if within the next 20 years our entire motorway and major A-road networks will be controlled with these.

It's a wonder they trust us to drive our own cars at all.

If the reports they claim of ticketing are anything like correct then the fines dont come anywhere near the cost of the installations and running costs.

You do the math:

A77 Installation cost £300,000 4 tickets per week £240 (ignoring the management overhead) the cameras need to be in place for 22 years to even cover the installation costs let alone make money.

A616 Installation cost £300,000 80 tickets per week. Installation will pay for itself in 63 weeks.

That doesnt sound like coin it in... In fact SCS seem to get a pretty good deal from that. It makes sense then for other savings to be brought into the equation to justify the cost of these systems.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaFt wrote:
Matt865 wrote:
Should we just hand the keys to The Royal Mint to SCS and allow them to literally print money?


i just hope they DO only use them in areas that need it such as 20mph areas around schools. if they start appearing everywhere then that's gonna get silly...

having said that, just stop for an extra 5 seconds at every junction and that'll soon get your average speed down if it has crept over a little!

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I have a crafty way to defeat the government filling its coffers with speeding ticket fines...

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i just hope they DO only use them in areas that need it such as 20mph areas around schools. if they start appearing everywhere then that's gonna get silly...
MaFt


Come on down to South East Essex. It was silly a long time ago, now it is ridiculous... Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeB wrote:
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A77 Installation cost £300,000 4 tickets per week £240 (ignoring the management overhead) the cameras need to be in place for 22 years to even cover the installation costs let alone make money.

A616 Installation cost £300,000 80 tickets per week. Installation will pay for itself in 63 weeks.
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Mike, I'm not arguing with the figures, but how can so many people be caught by the A616 cameras versus the A77 ones? If I remember correctly, the A616 ones have been in place a lot longer than the A77 ones, so must have paid for themselves already?

I'd love to see the figures from the widening of the M74 at Gretna/Carlisle. Every time I went through many overtook me going sufficiently fast to be NIPped.
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MikeB wrote:
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A77 Installation cost £300,000 4 tickets per week £240 (ignoring the management overhead) the cameras need to be in place for 22 years to even cover the installation costs let alone make money.



I don't believe for one minute only 4 tickets are issued per week, or some 200 per annum. Where is the source?
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't believe for one minute only 4 tickets are issued per week, or some 200 per annum. Where is the source?
If I remember, Geoff said that in the previous interview. Unfortunately, I'm not getting sound on this PC and my lip reading is not up to the task Laughing
Remember, that in the 60MPH area, there aren't a lot of places to overtake, so the HGVs heading for the ferries pull down the average speed. I could really do with a good "average speed between Specs" calculator that would allow me to try to catch my average speed up, once I have a clear road ahead.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon this will see a new wave of number plate cloning, etc. once it becomes more wide spread, I wonder how they plan to combat that?

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:55 am    Post subject: Any Camera System Reply with quote

Government and local authorities are never going to publicly state the fine is useful. Their stated aim is to reduce serious road injuries and deaths. I don't have current figures, but a serious injury would invoke damage to vehicle, emergency service attendance, recovery and storage, prosecution, insurance claims, hospital admission, operations, extended ward stays and years of physio, inability to work, mental anguish to all families directly and indirectly involved and state income support, to identify a few. To reduce by one incident, the system automatically goes into profit. Do I like the blessed thing, no I don't, I just understand why they are there
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