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archchancellor Lifetime Member

Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 45 Location: London
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: "GPS failing? Blame the Northern Lights" |
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Article in The Telegraph:
Quote: | Spectacular displays created by the Northern Lights cause satellite navigation systems to go awry, scientists have found.
When they are working, sat-navs can help motorists pick their way through even the most twisting of routes. When they fail without warning, they can leave drivers lost and may even cause accidents.
Scientists have discovered that the natural light shows of the Northern Lights – or Aurora Borealis – interfere with the signals from global positioning satellites, which are used by sat-navs to pinpoint the locations of vehicles, boats and aircraft. |
See http://tinyurl.com/5n4qtl
Is there any evidence of failing sat nav units causing accidents?  |
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Border_Collie Pocket GPS Verifier


Joined: Feb 01, 2006 Posts: 2543 Location: Rainham, Kent. England.
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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It appears to me that all 24 satellites would have to be affected but they are spread around the Globe with 12 overhead wherever you are in the World. Only 4 sats. are needed for 3D navigation purposes and devices use signals from the strongest 4. They way I see it at least 9 of the 12 would have to be affected to cause any problems. _________________ Formerly known as Lost_Property
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gardenshed Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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suppose it depends how far north you are, is there a diagram of the sats in relation to the earth, i presume they must be geo stationary anyway |
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Border_Collie Pocket GPS Verifier


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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | is there a diagram of the sats in relation to the earth |
Have a look HERE _________________ Formerly known as Lost_Property
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archchancellor Lifetime Member

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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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gardenshed wrote: | i presume they must be geo stationary anyway |
No, they're not geostationary ... that's what i always thought until I got a satnav and decided to understand how it works!  |
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Darren Frequent Visitor

Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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It's a common misquote. The Navstar satellites are in a semi-geosynchronous orbit not geostationary, i.e. they move constantly in predicted orbits. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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lbendlin Pocket GPS Staff


Joined: 02/11/2002 22:41:59 Posts: 11878 Location: Massachusetts, USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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however, these orbits _do_ leave holes over both poles. You can see that when you let VisualGPS or other tools plot the locations for over 12 hours.
Combined with the northern lights this is certainly affecting navigation, but only in the extreme polar regions, above/below +/- 70 degrees _________________ Lutz
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gardenshed Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Lost_Property wrote: | Quote: | is there a diagram of the sats in relation to the earth |
Have a look HERE |
interesting, goes on to explain how the signal is interrupted by mother nature as well  |
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