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Retty
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| GPSBear wrote: | | I am very tempted to unlock the beast and run Igo on it. Anyone done that? |
This is, I suspect, running a bit close to the margins of what the moderators will allow.
I did experiment with iGO which is basically identical to Miomap 3.3 in June/July last year. It works well and is better than the Miomap software in terms of update and bug fix support.
I won't say anymore than that other than that *if* you can obtain a licensed version of iGO My Way for PNA then it is the way to go. It also provides for TMC reception in the US - Mio products do not unless you buy an extra license which, by the way, is no longer available for purchase for CX10 and earlier products!
This is actually a serious point: Mio has already pulled the rug from the C710's (and C510's) functionality by removing the ability to buy a TMC license for use in the US. The lovely irony of all this is that until recently the US TMC license purchase page used C710 screenshots as part of the purchase demonstration. The page still uses some old gifs taken from the C710 screen!
Seriously, do not buy a sat nav device from these jokers. I hate to say it - but in terms of software functionality (multiple via points and all that) Tom Tom is probably the only show in town.
Mitac was lucky in selecting iGO oem software to power its devices - it is still probably the best software on the market in terms of ease of use and routing options. But Mitac has squandered its advantage buy alienating, surely, the majority of its customer base. |
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..and by the sound of many posts on this forum, TT support is no better - so would you be cutting off your nose to spite your face by 'jumping ship'?
Is the grass always greener, or is that just an illusion?
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Retty
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| GPS_fan wrote: | ..and by the sound of many posts on this forum, TT support is no better - so would you be cutting off your nose to spite your face by 'jumping ship'?
Is the grass always greener, or is that just an illusion? |
The customer support provided by the 2 companies used to be considered about the same - not very good.
The problem is that Mio seems to have completely withdrawn online update support and bug fix support for all but its current range of devices. It's very poor. Tom Tom hasn't done this.
I think the Mio devices - using Miomap 3.1 and 3.2 - have too many bugs which Mitac is aware of but just hasn't bothered to fix. There's been no software update for almost a year despite a number of reported and known bugs. That's ignoring the issue of firmware updates - some of the bugs such as the geographic specific lock up bug are probably connected with firmware problems.
The tim synch problem - requiring manual adjustment of the Windows time settings was the final straw for me. Mio is apparently aware of the problem but unable (unwilling) to fix it via a software update. Its advice is to disable the GPS time synch option.
I needed to reinstall Miomap 3.2 from scratch a short while ago and it was lucky, for me, that I had made a backup of the 3.2 files before I reinstalled 3.1. There is still no 3.2 version available via the online updater. Add a botched recent update (Miomap 3.3. was somehow made available for incompatible devices) and some people, who don't have their original install disk, are probably facing the scenario of device fubar.
The only way Mio could have fallen short of Tom Tom was to offer no update or support service at all. They've actually managed to do that. Impressive.
I'm not saying, in terms of hardware specs or software, that Tom Tom devices are better (I don't think they are). But it isn't possible to justify buying from a company that doesn't provide even basic customer service.
I notice that Mio has managed to implement a system to manage expired speed camera subscriptions to its benefit. It can get some things right. |
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| GPS_fan wrote: | ..and by the sound of many posts on this forum, TT support is no better - so would you be cutting off your nose to spite your face by 'jumping ship'?
Is the grass always greener, or is that just an illusion? |
Agree 100%. Mitac's support has been lousy but are the others any better?
There is a broad range of GPS units and they all have good and bad points. It's a very personal choice and all depends exactly what you want. Personally I wouldn't consider an unit that doesn't have directional camera alerts - for others that wouldn't be important.
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| Sallyann wrote: | | Personally I wouldn't consider an unit that doesn't have directional camera alerts - for others that wouldn't be important. |
Providing that you have an accurate direction database, which of course you do, if you use the PGPSW database  |
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| Retty wrote: | | GPSBear wrote: | | I am very tempted to unlock the beast and run Igo on it. Anyone done that? |
This is, I suspect, running a bit close to the margins of what the moderators will allow.
I did experiment with iGO which is basically identical to Miomap 3.3 in June/July last year. It works well and is better than the Miomap software in terms of update and bug fix support.
I won't say anymore than that other than that *if* you can obtain a licensed version of iGO My Way for PNA then it is the way to go. It also provides for TMC reception in the US - Mio products do not unless you buy an extra license which, by the way, is no longer available for purchase for CX10 and earlier products!
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So I assume that it is next to impossible to get a licensed version of iGO My Way for PNA? Their web site seems only to have for PDA/Win mobile. Whereas the 710 is running win ce. I am quite happy to pay IGO I just want something that is supported.
BTW I had to back out the German map that the 3.3 upgrade installed. Anywhere in Northern Germany would crash the whole thing. Put back the 3.2 map from the CD and all is well.
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| GPSBear wrote: | | Retty wrote: | | GPSBear wrote: | | I am very tempted to unlock the beast and run Igo on it. Anyone done that? |
This is, I suspect, running a bit close to the margins of what the moderators will allow.
I did experiment with iGO which is basically identical to Miomap 3.3 in June/July last year. It works well and is better than the Miomap software in terms of update and bug fix support.
I won't say anymore than that other than that *if* you can obtain a licensed version of iGO My Way for PNA then it is the way to go. It also provides for TMC reception in the US - Mio products do not unless you buy an extra license which, by the way, is no longer available for purchase for CX10 and earlier products!
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So I assume that it is next to impossible to get a licensed version of iGO My Way for PNA? Their web site seems only to have for PDA/Win mobile. Whereas the 710 is running win ce. I am quite happy to pay IGO I just want something that is supported.
BTW I had to back out the German map that the 3.3 upgrade installed. Anywhere in Northern Germany would crash the whole thing. Put back the 3.2 map from the CD and all is well. |
It's not available for PNA at present - and I don't think there are any plans to make it so. There probably isn't a big market for it but then again it would mean making hardly any significant modifications to the install files (isn't that the whole point of Windows and portability?)
The advantage of iGO is that it is regularly updated - the recent versions fix some serious bugs present in Miomap 3.2 (TMC direction Im told and some geographical lock ups (although this may depend upon firmware)). As said previously with a capable device it also provides a TMC license for use in the US. This is the big pull.
Miomap 3.3 is an oem version of iGO My Way 2006+. Mio hasn't rolled out an oem version of My Way to users of non widescreen devices and so we're a bit stuck for bug fixes and software updates. I though that an update was on its way a number of months ago but it didn't happen. |
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Well, Mio seem to have got the C710 updater going.
Yesterday (Tuesday) afternoon, after having had to run since 2nd January with the May 2006 default disc installation (No TMC currently), I was rewarded by the promise of 140 odd files!
Innumerable stalls and restarts later the device finally completed itself to v3.3 Sep 5 2007 sometime during the night. The U.K. map is 2006.01+
Now I’m blessed with the ‘greying out keyboard’ and new voices, though to my ears Thomas continues to have the best diction.
I have not yet made a journey of any distance so I there may be other differences of which I’m not aware.
TMC is restored with some augmentation. The direction of obstruction is indicated in the Traffic Events list by double chevron marks and on the maps the affected stretch of road seem to be highlighted (in in my case blue). I have also seen occasional additional icons on the Traffic Events list but whether this is supposed to happen I don’t know, as I’m unable to find any updated documentation.
The TMC also seems a bit more delicate than it was. It seems that if the aerial is disconnected before switching the unit off the scanning and testing function becomes locked and fails to look for the transmitter.
This was corrected by a soft reset.
Why oh why couldn’t Mio just tell us what was happening? |
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M8TJT
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Mine still can't find any updates (MM 3.2 sept 06). I even tried a 'clean reinstall' to see if it was any of the mods that I have done, but still no joy.
What's going on MIO??? |
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| ticklepin wrote: | Well, Mio seem to have got the C710 updater going.
Yesterday (Tuesday) afternoon, after having had to run since 2nd January with the May 2006 default disc installation (No TMC currently), I was rewarded by the promise of 140 odd files!
Innumerable stalls and restarts later the device finally completed itself to v3.3 Sep 5 2007 sometime during the night. The U.K. map is 2006.01+
Now I’m blessed with the ‘greying out keyboard’ and new voices, though to my ears Thomas continues to have the best diction.
I have not yet made a journey of any distance so I there may be other differences of which I’m not aware.
TMC is restored with some augmentation. The direction of obstruction is indicated in the Traffic Events list by double chevron marks and on the maps the affected stretch of road seem to be highlighted (in in my case blue). I have also seen occasional additional icons on the Traffic Events list but whether this is supposed to happen I don’t know, as I’m unable to find any updated documentation.
The TMC also seems a bit more delicate than it was. It seems that if the aerial is disconnected before switching the unit off the scanning and testing function becomes locked and fails to look for the transmitter.
This was corrected by a soft reset.
Why oh why couldn’t Mio just tell us what was happening? |
I'm not even going to bother trying - why risk wrecking a kind of satisfactory install of Miomap 3.2 for something that probably isn't even designed to run on the C710. For me the September 2007 date stamp is a give away - this "update" looks as if it is simply the widescreen release hacked for older CX10 devices.
Interestingly the iGO My Way PDA software also has the same problem detecting the TMC device following power off - a soft reset is needed and the symptoms are a locked testing search on a particular frequency.
There are some new icons in Miomap 3.2 but they appear very rarely. I've seen a rain icon (once) and there are probably others too. Maybe this depends on the iTIS transmissions - is it possible that the current poor weather has resulted in extra weather data being transmitted? |
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| M8TJT wrote: | Mine still can't find any updates (MM 3.2 sept 06). I even tried a 'clean reinstall' to see if it was any of the mods that I have done, but still no joy.
What's going on MIO??? |
Just out of curiosity I took a look and can't find any updates either.
It's a shambles. I would actively encourage and warn people not to buy a Mio device. |
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Thanks for the tip re TMC and soft reset. I just did a soft reset on mine and it is now searching - indoors, so nothing plugged in. I do tend to pull the plugs out of the unit before I switch it off - I shall reverse that in future.
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Been playing a bit more with TMC and, on mine at least:
1) It will *always lock up if put into standby with nothing plugged in - even if you *never* had anything plugged in.
2) Simply quiting and restarting Miomap will bring it back to life - until it goes into standby see 1)
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| GPSBear wrote: | Been playing a bit more with TMC and, on mine at least:
1) It will *always lock up if put into standby with nothing plugged in - even if you *never* had anything plugged in.
2) Simply quiting and restarting Miomap will bring it back to life - until it goes into standby see 1) |
Yes, the same as iGO My Way. The 3.3 software isn't automatically polling the port to which the TMC device is connected (assuming it's the same "problem" as with the My Way PDA software). The PDA software has an option to poll the relevant port so that you don't have to reset the device. |
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