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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:57 pm    Post subject: How can I see what POIs are updated? Reply with quote

Maybe this has been discussed in some thread already, but I couldn't find it.
I downloaded my first POI updates today via MapShare which resulted in a number of new files in the map directory named CAxxxx.ov2. I assume that each ov2 file corresponds to a POI category. As I wanted to see which POIs were udated I copied these new files to a directory on my PC and tried to open them from PoiEdit. The problem is that PoiEdit reports the file as being an illegal ov2 file. The file format must be different from other POI files that you can add manually. Does anyone know how this works? Is there a way to examine these POI updates?

I'm also lacking an option in Home to chose whether you want POI updates for the whole of Europe or only for your region (your country). I'm not so keen on filling up my unit with POI files for Spain unless I'm on my way there myself.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your slightly wrong .. the Caxxx files have come via mapshare but are tomtom corrections which maybe not poi updates..... guess it depends where your getting your pois from ... poi's as far as i know will appear as ov2 files , what i do an its a pain is to take the new file before downloading to tom tom and open in something like poledit , and compare it to the file on your tomtom ... but its hard work
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oki, you may be right. It's just that TT Home wrote on the screen that it was downloading new POIs and afterwards I had all these new CAxxxx.ov2 files. Another thing I noticed was that poi.dat and crpoi.dat were left untouched. However there was one new file named DeletedPoi.dat. If your reasoning is correct, it implies that no new POIs were downloaded but only a list of deleted ones. But how would I examine a dat file? POI-Edit for sure doesn't read that file format.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful i think your at risk of corrupting your tomtom , from the filext.com website a dat file is "Can be just about anything: text, graphic, or general binary data. There is no specific structure for a .DAT file. You can use an editor like EditPad Pro to look inside a .DAT file and possible determine its contents and relationship with a program." where as an ov2 is a Program File - Overlay .. the difference the one is instruction code , the other info.[/b]
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an approximation of what each CAxxxx is a POI for. Some of the Names have changed slightly, but the category is basically the same.

Code:
7367   Government Office
9364   mountain Peak
7369   Open Parking
7313   Parking Garage
7311   Petrol Station
7380   Railway Station
7395   Rest Area
7383   Airport
9910   Car Dealer
7341   Casino
9906   Church
7342   Cinema
7379   City Center
9352   Company
9367   Concert Hall
9363   Courthouse
7319   Cultural Center
7385   Exhibition Center
7352   Ferry Terminal
7366   Frontier Crossing
9911   Golf Course
7321   Hospital Polyclinic
7314   Hotel/Motel
7376   Tourist Attraction
9935   mountain Pass
7317   museum
9365   Opera
7339   Place of Worship
7324   Post Office
7312   Rent Car Facility
9930   Rent Car Parking
7315   Restaurant
9361   shop
7373   shopping Center
7374   stadium
7318   Theatre
7316   Tourist Information Office
9927   Zoo
7320   sports Centre
7322   Police Station
7365   Embassy
7377   College University
7397   Cash Dispenser
9357   Beach
9360   Ice Skating Ring
9369   Tennis Court
9371   Water Sport
9373   Doctor
9374   Dentist
9375   Veterinarian
9379   Nightlife
9902   Amusement Park
9913   Library
7310   Car Repair Facility
7326   Pharmacy
7337   scenic/Panoramic View
7338   swimming Pool
7349   Winery
7360   Camping Ground
9362   Park and Recreation Area
9377   Convention Centre
9378   Leisure Centre
9380   yacht Basin


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

baystonhill wrote:
Be careful i think your at risk of corrupting your tomtom , from the filext.com website a dat file is "Can be just about anything: text, graphic, or general binary data. There is no specific structure for a .DAT file. You can use an editor like EditPad Pro to look inside a .DAT file and possible determine its contents and relationship with a program." where as an ov2 is a Program File - Overlay .. the difference the one is instruction code , the other info.[/b]


As long as I don't open the file directly from the TT GO but copy it to my PC it should be safe. I haven't come across EditPad Pro.

Oldboy wrote:
This is an approximation of what each CAxxxx is a POI for. Some of the Names have changed slightly, but the category is basically the same.


Thank you Oldboy! So there is indeed a relationship between the CAxxxx.ov2 files and the POI categories. Strange that the files cannot be opended in POIEdit then.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uffe73 wrote:
So there is indeed a relationship between the CAxxxx.ov2 files and the POI categories. Strange that the files cannot be opended in POIEdit then.
Have a look at This Topic to see how the CAxxxx files work.

There are a number of different 'types' of OV2 Files. Most are Type 0, 1, 2 or 3.

POIs that are created on the TT Devices now are Type 100. (A TT idea. Rolling Eyes )

These types POIEdit can read.

The CAxxxx.OV2 are of a different Type again. TT probably being security minded.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

baystonhill wrote:
Your slightly wrong .. the Caxxx files have come via mapshare but are tomtom corrections which maybe not poi updates.....


That is incorrect, I'm afraid.
The CAxxxx.ov2 files are ONLY POI updates (incoming). Your outgoing corrections are in the PAxxx.ov2 files.

Any mapshare updates to the mapping itself come in the ServerNameIndex, ServerLineIndex and MapServerPatch .dat files.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CRPOI.dat files are the map share correction files.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Infama wrote:
The CRPOI.dat files are the map share correction files.


I beg to differ, I'm afraid.

In all the time I've used Mapshare, the crpoi.dat file (only one of them) has never changed. It is the same size as it was on day one, and the "modified on" date never changes.

The three files I mentioned above (ServerNameIndex.dat, ServerLineIndex.dat and MapServerPatch.dat) DO change whenever you do a Mapshare update, however.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_P2002 wrote:
Infama wrote:
The CRPOI.dat files are the map share correction files.


I beg to differ, I'm afraid.

In all the time I've used Mapshare, the crpoi.dat file (only one of them) has never changed. It is the same size as it was on day one, and the "modified on" date never changes.

The three files I mentioned above (ServerNameIndex.dat, ServerLineIndex.dat and MapServerPatch.dat) DO change whenever you do a Mapshare update, however.


Well,

I just got this answer from TT yesterday....the rep escalated my question and a week later came back with this answer. I have had good responses from this person before, so the cred is high.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, all I can say is that I have eight backups of my Go720 with it's original v705 map. There is a crpoi.dat file in the "day one" backup and the file size and date is unchanged in every one of the others, (and on the TomTom).

I have two backups of the v710 map and the crpoi.dat file is also unchanged.

I am subscribed to Map Share and get regular downloads. If I check the folder immediately before and after a Map Share update, the CAxxxx.ov2 files alter for any POIs updated and the ServerNameIndex.dat, ServerLineIndex.dat and MapServerPatch.dat all change too.

Believe who you like, but TomTom "support" have told people all sorts of rubbish before. (HERE'S an example from just yesterday!)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

baystonhill wrote:
Be careful i think your at risk of corrupting your tomtom , from the filext.com website a dat file is "Can be just about anything: text, graphic, or general binary data. There is no specific structure for a .DAT file. You can use an editor like EditPad Pro to look inside a .DAT file and possible determine its contents and relationship with a program." where as an ov2 is a Program File - Overlay .. the difference the one is instruction code , the other info.[/b]


Just to add that the list is the recommended use of extensions in a Windows system. There is no need to save eg a Word file as .doc etc.

The TomTom is Linux (?) based though and doesn't have to follow this convention though mostly does. This is especially true with the .chk files which are important data files not corrupted ones (similarly .mac and .avi). The system files don't even have extensions.


I would trust Andy's knowledge above TomTom's any day. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_P2002 wrote:
Well, all I can say is that I have eight backups of my Go720 with it's original v705 map. There is a crpoi.dat file in the "day one" backup and the file size and date is unchanged in every one of the others, (and on the TomTom).

I have two backups of the v710 map and the crpoi.dat file is also unchanged.

I am subscribed to Map Share and get regular downloads. If I check the folder immediately before and after a Map Share update, the CAxxxx.ov2 files alter for any POIs updated and the ServerNameIndex.dat, ServerLineIndex.dat and MapServerPatch.dat all change too.

Believe who you like, but TomTom "support" have told people all sorts of rubbish before. (HERE'S an example from just yesterday!)



Andy,

I have no doubt what you say is true! ( Heck, you even provided evidence).

However, it is possible that what you both say is true in part. Perhaps the way this whole correction thing works involves both files (even though CRPOI does not vary in size)?

The naming convention seems consistent, as CRPOI could very well mean correction to POIs.. Who knows?

The reason why I am trying to get to the bottom of this is that it may lead to a better understaning of how things work in NavCore 7, given the lack of an SDK. I see you have already partially solved the mechanism of how POIs are handled as Custom POIs vs built-in vs mapshare. It would be nice to have a complete overview.

Lets keep digging away.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Infama wrote:

The naming convention seems consistent, as CRPOI could very well mean correction to POIs.. Who knows?


don't forget there are "cnode.dat", "cline.dat", "cname.dat", which are three of the four "main" map files. So it could be "core" "rpoi"? or anything really! Laughing

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Lets keep digging away.


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