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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: Madonna backs Climate Change Challenge initiative
Hey any bright sparks out there. Thought you may be interested in this initiative that's backed by Madge especially if you have an inventive spirit. Also tips on smart eco driving and allsorts of great energy saving ideas. Anyway take a gander when you have a mo:
http://www.climatechangechallenge.org
If I designed a 90% efficent power source for the average home to market for £500, I'd patent it globally myself and sell it on the open market for millions £. Kinda makes the prize a little weak!
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject:
It always seems kinda ironic to me that these celebs who claim to be the ones saving the planet are the very same people who are jetting here, there and everywhere with their entourages promoting the idea that flying, driving etc causes global warming.
If you were to take a moment and look at peoples' carbon footprints, Madge is apparently one of the worst culprits and shouldn't be telling me how to live my life to save the planet which she is so busy ruining.
The tree huggers are set against fossil fuel power stations, but when it comes to installing wind farms, there are endless objections and most proposals are rejected.
Personally, I'm in favour of energy from renewable sources and I wouldn't object to a wind farm in my back yard because they have to go somewhere if we're going to be serious about saving the planet.
The earth also has a climate cycle and I'm getting a little sick of everything being blamed on the 'in phrase' of the moment. OK, so global warming may be playing a part, but it isn't the only factor in climate change.
If nothing else, energy saving light bulbs, good home insulation and so on are a good idea because they save the homeowner money.
Sadly, until we have a good public transport infrastructure, there won't be a feasible alternative to using cars. Unfortunately, the rail and bus companies have been sold off and because they're now privately run all these companies are out to make a profit for their shareholders.
In an age where it's quicker to travel from London to Paris by train that London to Manchester, we should stop and think instead of preaching to people about flying and leaving cars at home when, in most cases there isn't a feasible alternative.
Here endeth my sermon _________________ Andy
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject:
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The earth also has a climate cycle and I'm getting a little sick of everything being blamed on the 'in phrase' of the moment. OK, so global warming may be playing a part, but it isn't the only factor in climate change.
Certain phrases say it all e.g. 'It's the hottest for 500 years'. So what caused it back then? What caused the Thames to freeze over? The Earth's natural cycle. Back in the late seventies we were being told 'the next ice age is coming'. Not sure if that should have been before or after this global warming.
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If nothing else, energy saving light bulbs, good home insulation and so on are a good idea because they save the homeowner money.
The point is, if we are to have global warming we won't need double glazing or insulation, it will be too hot. Less fossil fuel used, fewer people hopping on planes to holiday in warmer resorts, because they will be too hot for most. Less fossil fuel being used, less CO2, global cooling and back to square one or maybe THAT ice age.
If you look at the graphs, re climate change, they point to the fact that as the Earth gets warmer, CO2 in the atmosphere becomes higher. It's not the CO2 causing the warming, it's a natural cycle.
We live on an unstable planet, which wobbles round the sun, which is an unstable star. Stop worrying.
Re-cyling? Yes, because our landfill sites are fast becoming full, but are WE really to blame for that. Most of the plastic and paper we put out for recycling is from over-packaged supermarket products and unwanted free papers and advertising leaflets.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject:
Apologies to Madge, but I'll be driving to 'our' pre-Christmas get together at Alton Four Marks and back. I'll try to save on the global warming bit by having a cool tipple with whoever turns up - see you all there!!
PS, in the early seventies, it was well known that the oil would be running out within 20 to 25 years. _________________ Dennis
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject:
Lost_Property wrote:
Re-cyling?
The stupid thing about recycling is that councils who collect waste for recycling keep changing their minds about what can or can't be recycled.
If something has the recycle logo on it, it generally goes into the recycle bin but our local council keep changing their minds and they send inspectors round to take a sneeky peek into peoples' recycle bins and if you have anything that they don't want to recycle that week they stick a card through your door...if you get too many cards, they fine you and stop collecting your waste.
Full marks to the guys who collect it though because they say that they're tired of the council changing their mind and if it's out for recycling, they just collect it.
It would be much simpler and far better for the environment if all councils collected everything with the recycle logo on it and then the poor householder wouldn't have to decide whether something is recyclable. _________________ Andy
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject:
Our collectors chop and change what they'll take. Plastic milk cartons, yes, the lids from them, no. One week they'll take the plastic tubs that washing machine globby things come in, another week they won't.
When we tried to clear up the confusion, we got a simple reply that the recycling symbol meant it was made of recycled glop and was not necessarily recyclable. We're simpletons, how do we know? More to the point, how do we know what they'll take and what they won't?
Garden rubbish is a laugh. You're not supposed to put it in your bin. The council will collect it fortnightly, but for that, you have to buy from them the official paper sacks to put it in. So what do people do? They hide it at the bottom of their dustbins. Not I, we fill a builders rubble bag and take it to our local civic amenity site, where they punch my licence (I have to get a licence because I drive a small van, not a minibus, people carrier, Landrover or Jeep - free licence, but a pain to apply to renew when you've used your 12 visits). _________________ Dennis
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject:
Recycling is nothing new, is it DennisN?
Milk in bottles, reusable. Money back on your lemonade or beer bottles, reusable, fish and chips in newspapers, re-fillable fountain pens. I'm sure there were other things which have slipped my ancient mind.
It has, over the years, turned into a throw away society. Why do SD Cards, for example, have to have so much packaging? Why are there so many advert filled free newspapers? Why must the postman include all the advertising leaflets two or three times per week? I actually save them and put them in the pillar box, now and then, so they can dispose of their own rubbish. Same with unsolicited mail, not that I get much since I signed with the postal preference service, where I put everything back in their freepost envelope for them to dispose of. Sometimes one company would get anothers rubbish and vice versa.
I'm sitting here, having turned the heating up, thinking... Roll on Global Warming.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject:
Lost_Property wrote:
Recycling is nothing new, is it DennisN?
Milk in bottles, reusable. Money back on your lemonade or beer bottles, reusable, fish and chips in newspapers, re-fillable fountain pens.
I remember those days too and, as a kid, looking forward to taking the empties back to the shop so that I'd have money for sweets
Just the other day, I was talking to somebody about using newspapers to wrap fish and chips.
I still use a fountain pen as much as I can - not only is it re-fillable, but IMHO it gives neater handwriting than the more common pen invented by Ladislao (László) József Bíró. _________________ Andy
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject:
DennisN wrote:
More to the point, how do we know what they'll take and what they won't?
Our rubbish and recycling are collecting fortnightly on alternate weeks (recycling one week, rubbish the next) and we get a calendar each year telling what is collected which week and what is recyclable...but the council still change their mind during the course of the year, so there's little point in looking at the list.
The whole recycling thing is a farce and as far as local authorities are concerned, two phrases spring to mind which include the following:
**** up and brewery
**** and elbow
There's little point in speaking to the local authority because the frontline people who take the calls are no better informed than th person making the call _________________ Andy
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: Madonna backs Climate Change Challenge initiative
SpeedyRob wrote:
Hey any bright sparks out there. Thought you may be interested in this initiative that's backed by Madge especially if you have an inventive spirit. Also tips on smart eco driving and allsorts of great energy saving ideas. Anyway take a gander when you have a mo:
http://www.climatechangechallenge.org
My next home will either have a ground source heat pump or a biomass boiler. I recently did some application work on the latter. They are solid, well enginneered, smell great & carbon neutral.
I'd also look for South & West facing aspects for free solar warmth.
Lost Property (I think...)...Don't forget that an insulator can keep warmth out too!
Domestic CHPs aren't quite there..yet!! Size, Noise (dependant on the method of electric generation) & redistributing electricity back to the grid is problematic. I'm not an eco bunny (far from it..just ordered a 170BHP Passat) but I can see no reason to waste energy (= £££) just for the sake of it. The UK have neglected to invest in incinerators (which can be very eco friendly(ish) & gone down the route of landfilling. We now export our rubbish to the Far East, which is either buried or burnt. We also export a lot of our recycled waste..as we don't have the infrastructure to cope with the amount generated. This is buried/burnt too!!!!
Not going to pap on about this for much longer (for now)...but how many people out there have taken the trouble to lag under their bath???
Sounds daft doesn't it......
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: Madonna backs Climate Change Challenge initiative
DaveNN wrote:
but how many people out there have taken the trouble to lag under their bath???
Sounds daft doesn't it......
I guess that depends on how long people like to soak in the bath and whether the water temperature has dropped much in that time.
...but what about recycling bath water to flush toilets and so on?
If it takes mineral water thousands of years to filter through the ground, how come it suddenly gets a 'best before' date slapped on it as soon as it's bottled?? _________________ Andy
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject:
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If it takes mineral water thousands of years to filter through the ground, how come it suddenly gets a 'best before' date slapped on it as soon as it's bottled??
1. The plastic bottle contaminates the water.
2. The plastic bottles, used for mineral water, which have been discarded to landfill sites has contaminated the ground and in turn, contaminated the mineral water being sold in plastic bottles.
3. Most likely, they've seen the effect on the brains of our Government and Council Officials, you know, the Civil SERVANTS who have, or are fast becoming, our MASTERS and don't want the rest of us to lose our logical thought and common sense.
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Madonna backs Climate Change Challenge initiative
GPS_fan wrote:
DaveNN wrote:
but how many people out there have taken the trouble to lag under their bath???
Sounds daft doesn't it......
I guess that depends on how long people like to soak in the bath and whether the water temperature has dropped much in that time.
DNN:-Got to be at least an hour....fingers must be prune like.
...but what about recycling bath water to flush toilets and so on?
DNN:-Can be totally free if the water store is fed & feeds by gravity.
A frost protected external tank could be used to collect rain water.
Failing that a very small pump could be used to pump up waste water (from washing machines/baths etc) from a collection vessel at low level to a tank where you would have enough head of water to feed a loo cistern.
If it takes mineral water thousands of years to filter through the ground, how come it suddenly gets a 'best before' date slapped on it as soon as it's bottled??
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:54 am Post subject:
We are told to recycle paper, magazines etc. but are not allowed to put shredded paper in the recycle bin (that goes to landfill) despite the fact we are told to shred anything containing personal details/information. _________________ Graham.
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