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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Piracy Reply with quote

Could this legislation aid PGPSW in the fight against piracy - here

If this goes ahead, offenders would risk losing not only their PGPSW subscription but also their internet connection.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be honest I think its completley unfeasable thing to do, as not only would ISPs have to interogate almost every packet going through their servers but they would also have to be able to de-encrypt each packet. This would therefore increase the subscription charges

Also how would this affect those that play online pc games such as World of Warcraft and Battlefield 2142?
The ports that many of these types of games use are the same ports that are generally used by torent programs.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely, it's much easier than that.

The ISPs can trace which servers have been accessed by specific IP addresses and they can trace back which user had a particular IP address at any given time.

Hence, there's no need to intercept or decrypt packages - the IP address which you are allocated by your ISP leaves a footprint.

ISPs are monitoring what we do and when - this is how many of them are enforcing their 'fair usage' policies

Besides, big brother is already watching you and various organisations can interecpt e-mails, texts and so on.

With ANPR cameras and mobile phone tracking, they also know where you were and when.

If this all seems too far fetched, remember that the communications satellite was invented by a science fiction author (Arthur C Clarke)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, it's p*ss easy to achieve without any special hardware and minimal additional cost.

Any packet sniffer can differentiate between on line gaming traffic and file downloading.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a lot depends on the ip if it's dynamic or static aswell
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gardenshed wrote:
a lot depends on the ip if it's dynamic or static aswell

Not really, ISPs have to maintain records of dynamic IP's and to whom they were allocated and when etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
Any packet sniffer can differentiate between on line gaming traffic and file downloading.


Totally over my head, this stuff. At the risk of going severely OT, I equate a packet sniffer to someone who wonders if they can get away with eating food well past its sell-by date!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what happens who those people using Wi-Fi? As it has been proven by hacking professionals, several wi-fi encryptions can be cracked within seconds. Surely those who are dedicated enough to download files illegally will be happy using someone elses internet.... and anonymously too.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically speaking its impossible to block. ISPs can block access to illegal download sites, and ports used by file sharing software. What they can't block is proxy servers Smile

For those who don't know... If you routed your internet through a proxy server your ISP has no control over what is viewed or blocked, aspecially when its encrypted, they don't even know what your doing.

If it does go ahead though, I'll be starting up my own internet proxy business for sure. Holland, Russia, China, Brazil... they are all good.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ISPs are also resisting calls for them to take a monitoring role - BBC news
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cant see it ever happening Rolling Eyes

stop borrowing copyrighted material, what else is there to say

however the principle of privacy and the right of the government to snoop even more into private affairs is the question here, we all know piracy is illegal, so lets not go there, but, at what point do we stop the intrusion into our private lives?
soon you will need to ask permission to spend whats left of your wages after tax as well, married men are excempted as we already have to do this Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like the government might put its foot down - here
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i never understand this line: "Representatives of the recording industry, who blame piracy on a slump in sales, welcomed the proposals."

surely the fact that we get charged 16.99 for a cd album and 4.99 for a single is what stops people buying them?!

those who download pirated music would be unlikely to have bought them anyway or they'd just get copies from their friends - either way it isn't a sale they would have lost.

still, piracy is a bad thing but claiming that downloads are the only source for piracy is a bit naive and makes me query their actual intentions...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaFt wrote:
surely the fact that we get charged 16.99 for a cd album and 4.99 for a single is what stops people buying them?!


I agree - there must be something wrong if I can go online, buy a CD in the US, pay shipping etc and it's still about half the price of my local high street

Why are we charged so much more than our American counterparts?? It SHOULD be the same material by the same artist and through the same record company, after all
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