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Joined: Feb 01, 2006 Posts: 2543 Location: Rainham, Kent. England.
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject:
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aahh, so you are (or have been) a bus driver perhaps?
Does your bus company have a policy on dipped headlights during the day?
What is your company's policy on a driver making stops, where there is no designated bus stop, to allow passengers on or off or even sit for several minutes chatting to a passenger they're dropping off holding up all the other traffic, but not at a designated bus stop?
....most bus drivers are OK - just the odd one, like everything else, and I have to pass the local bus depot (usually around shift change time)
Ex bus driver, that was a few years ago.
The policy then was to try to get us to take a bus out as long as it has one headlight. I was even sent into the workshop to get a bus and the starter didn't work, I informed the inspector who accompanied me back to the bus while he tried. The fitter beckoned me and pointed to the back of the vehicle - the engine was out for repair.
All stops were request stops and there were some curtesey stops 'out in the sticks'. Never delayed by chatting passengers, a polite 'Do you want to get off here or the next stop'? Whilst closing the doors, usually did the trick. I caused minimum delay to other motorists as I would always pull into a bus lay-by and in doing so found many people would let me back out. On the country lane routes there were always places to pull over to let cars past safely. You must remember we knew the routes like the back of our hand and could almost do it blindfold.
I'm not sure me using dipped headlights in daytime would have stopped a bloke coming out of a side turning at Lordswood and crashing into the side of my bus, or the young lady at Bredhurst, or the lady at the junction of the A2 and the Esplande, or the elderly lady at the bottom of Cuxton Hill. All of who came from the left out of side turning into the side of the bus and said after 'I never saw you'. But at least half the bus had passed the turning, so how did they miss a big double deck green thingy?
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject:
i think i may have been miss quoted here i have never said that it should only be for trucks i did say that in built up areas it is something i do and on many back roads as some of th roads we use to get around locally you wouldnt really expect a truck to be one and they are used by weekend/ night racers
as i was taught when learning to drive trucks a moroist will not usually see a truck or bus approching by will usually see vehicle if you can make them look again at what you are driving then you have a beter chance of being seen for the size that you are .
if you were put headlights on at all times then this would not happen and a mortorist would just see a vehicle with lights traveling towards them.
also as many emergency vehicle use flashing main beam then it may harm them as they would not standout as much as they do now
what do you mean 8 spotlights ive got 16 plus headlights hehe
but on a motorway there absolutly no need for the main beam at all _________________ currently using aponia truck navigation on windows phone. Good bye IOS don't let the door hit you on the way out .
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject:
Tim Buxton wrote:
Skippy wrote:
Tim, I don't think daytime lights on bike are compulsary are they? It's just that the makers decided that since most people ride with them on anyway that they could lower costs and improve safety and reliability by doing away with the switchgear....
Ah, OK. I thought it was one of those marvelous EU directives.
Well, I think the EU were talking about doing it so the manufacturers went right ahead and made the change in anticipation of the directive. I don't know if a directive is going ahead or not but wouldn't be surprised.
mostdom wrote:
As for this should only be for bikes suggestion, if you are riding and filtering where appropriate, and not slicing through every concevable gap then there isn't an issue about having your light on or not.
Ahh, so light on all the time for me then?
Seriously though, it's not just bikers riding like idiots that people don't see, it's completely random. You could be pootling along minding your own business and a nice relaxed speed and some twit will still not see you... _________________ Gone fishing!
Joined: Aug 08, 2005 Posts: 241 Location: Dartford, Kent, UK
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject:
Voted "Yes" but would like to see them at reduced power (Dim Dip)
I like the automatic head lights, like my VW Golf it has automatic wipers also. Years ago I had a Volvo with day running lights or dim dip these are the head lights on but at a lower power people used to flash me because they thought i had switched them on by mistake.
If it saved 1 life then its got to be worth it, don't forget its not just other road user that would see you but pedestrians also.
Alan _________________ Alan --- aka Wiz.
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Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 2789 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject:
alix776 wrote:
i think i may have been miss quoted here
perhaps I was generalising a little because you said the the effect of your truck having lights would be negated if everybody had their lights on
somebody else said that the benefit to bikers would be eliminated if everybody had their lights on
...so I summed up a little with my post, but didn't intend to mis-quote anybody - that's just the way it looked _________________ Andy
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject:
Personally, I prefer to drive without lights on unless conditions demand that I switch my lights on.
If I'm towing a trailer, then I'll switch on dipped head lights. It makes people look at you and think "why has that twit got his lights on" it gives them a few seconds extra to look at you and to work out that you're towing a wide trailer.
If I'm escorting large agricultural machinery (i.e. combine harvester) then it's dipped headlights, flashing amber beacons, wide load sign on the front of the vehicle, and much arm waving to try and slow down the oncoming traffic, as quite often we have to travel some way ahead of the combine to the next narrow part of the road or side road and wait to halt people at a safe place for the combine to pass. Sometimes people ignore the warnings, race past, and then have to reverse hard because the combine doesn't stop for anything!
I think that motorbikes should ride with headlights dipped.
Regards, _________________ Robert.
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14892 Location: Keynsham
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject:
Here I am!! I've got to do work sometimes and today's only the second day's work this week - If the wheels aint turning, I aint earning - everybody say Aaaah.
Compulsory lights, no thank you.
Compulsory smacks for people who don't use them properly, yes, yes, very yes.
Auto - dead easy - my Tom Tom does it - night view when dark. Tell the clowns to wash the sensor clean though.
Dislikes - Motorbikes always seem to blind me. I understand why they have headlights on, but can't they make them shine just a teensy weensy bit downwards?
Pet hates - many ...
Those idiots who steam up the motorway in something high powered (or not) and invisible - what colour is invisible? every damned one. Steam up the m'way at 80+, on invisible side lights with rear fogs on in poor visibility - Hallo? At your speed are you expecting someone to come at you from the rear, you fool? Don't you realise your car is exactly the colour of rain and when I look in my spray ridden outside rearview mirror to overtake, you scare the *** out of me when you suddenly smash through my blind zone with stupid little PARKING lights on.
Front fogs in broad clear daylight, blazing up lane three to get me and everybody else off their road.
Those idiots who don't understand that with a loaded boot, or a wrongly fitted caravan or trailer, the front end bangs their dipped headlights right up into my pupils. My van has an interior thingy to turn the light settings down a few notches when I'm loaded - don't cars? Surely those ridiculous 4x4 cowboys (not the Darrens of this world, the show-offs who simply have to drive a monster) need a head knocking to turn their lights down.
Back in the good old days, it was macho to drive without lights. I remember hitch hiking up the A1 in lorries which used lights as a system - switch on and off to signal others (it's why I now switch off briefly to tell a lorry driver at night he can pull back in, rather than switch to full beam - a sudden blackness is more noticeable and less blinding). And they switched off when being overtaken, so that the overtaking lorry could get a better view - they usually took so long to pass, I had long said goodbye to my *****. But when not signalling , they'd do their very best to drive with only tiny sidelights on - couldn't see a thing ahead - a real man knew the road like the back of his hand and didn't need lights. They didn't have light switches - they hooked the wire on and off a terminal. They also used to save fuel by switching off the engine for downhill stretches - I rode in a fish lorry carrying 20 tons of fish down the A1 - in the days when 20 tons was heavy - and he free-wheeled for miles on no gears, no engine and no lights and not using brakes to avoid impeding his momentum.
And as a young club cyclist, I walked literally miles home when caught out after lighting up time without lights - would have expected life jail or even transportation to Australia if caught riding without lights. _________________ Dennis
This seems crazy to me, that although the poll suggests you are all dead set against compulsary lights on, almost all of you have suggested that someone or another should have there lights on at some occation during the 24h day when they currently don't. Also almost all of you have pointed out that at some point or another, using lights makes you more visable.
You lot are about a decicive as a teenage girl in a shoe shop!
_________________ Dom
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Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 2789 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:55 am Post subject:
mostdom wrote:
You lot are about a decicive as a teenage girl in a shoe shop!
meeeeeeeooooooow
You could get your posting privileges removed for a comment like like - especially with your arch-rival Dennis on the prowl now
No - they used to be indecisive, now they're not so sure
I was thinking along similar lines - but remember that some people have voted without posting comments as well as those whose comments may not seem to agree with which way they voted.
As for Privateer's comments - whilst I agree with some of his comments, the combine harvesters that I've come across are simply too wide for the roads and why the **** do farmers decide to relocate them at peak times when there's the maximum amount of traffic on the road?
I think that these things should have at least two escort vehicles - one travelling ahead and one just in front of the offending vehicle. Having headlights or flashing beacons is of little consolation when you're confronted by a very large rubber tyre half way across your carriageway just inches behind the escort vehicle. They're also rear wheel steer and have a habbit of wandering all over the road - not to mention flattening bollards and signs on traffic islands because they're too wide to fit through the gap
A lot more thought should go into moving any abnormal 'load' or vehicle - especially when it's done at peak times _________________ Andy
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14892 Location: Keynsham
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:47 am Post subject:
GPS_fan wrote:
why the **** do farmers decide to relocate them at peak times when there's the maximum amount of traffic on the road?
As a new megalomaniac mod, I feel I should edit that to read "why the **** do farmers decide to relocate them at times when there's GPS_fan on the road?" in the interests of veracity.
Or perhaps "why the **** does GPS_fan decide to drive down the road when there's the maximum amount of combine 'arvesters ooo arrr on the road?" _________________ Dennis
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 2789 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:37 am Post subject:
DennisN wrote:
Or perhaps "why the **** does GPS_fan decide to drive down the road when there's the maximum amount of combine 'arvesters ooo arrr on the road?"
That's more like it, thank you for correcting me Mr Mod
There be 'arvesters on them there roads!!
"Cuz i got a brand new combine harvester
An i'll give you the key
Come on now let's get together in perfect harmony
I got twenty acres
An' you got forty three
Now i got a brand new combine harvester
An' i'll give you the key."
courtesy of The Wurzels
...showing my great taste in music again
BTW, the **** covers a multitude of words - I wasn't sure if I could get away with hell (oops, I've said it now)
...and to some people, work is a four letter word - present company excepted, of course _________________ Andy
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:49 am Post subject:
thats it instant ban he said the W work _________________ currently using aponia truck navigation on windows phone. Good bye IOS don't let the door hit you on the way out .
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:00 am Post subject:
alix776 wrote:
thats it instant ban he said the W work
Your fingers are still half asleep - I think you meant W word - you said it too....go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect £200 _________________ Andy
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