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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14892 Location: Keynsham
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:37 am Post subject:
Tim Buxton wrote:
After all, you wouldn't advocate snipers shooting live targets for practice, in order to hone and maintain their skills, would you?
Not normally, but please don't tempt me by adding the words "black VW and Audi drivers" between the words "live" and "targets"! Perhaps I should add, this means "Drivers of black VWs and Audis" in case any PCs (other then Tommo) are listening. _________________ Dennis
Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 616 Location: Midlothian
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject:
Tim Buxton wrote:
GPS_fan wrote:
...and are you guys who disagree with 999tommo saying that any criminal who drives off above the legal speed limit of 70mph should just be allowed to get away?
Has anyone actually said this or are you making it up?
In a live chase, use the skills they have learned and/or been taught. For practice, used controlled environments or simulators.
After all, you wouldn't advocate snipers shooting live targets for practice, in order to hone and maintain their skills, would you?
I don't mean to single you out Tim, but you are one of the many who want to have their cake and eat it too. Everyone wants the Police to do a good job in catching car theives, joy riders etc, but are hyper critical at Police who need to keep practicing in orcer to avoid losing the skills they have achieved.
Using our skills in a live chase, but otherwise use a simulator ? What a lot of tosh. Why don't YOU try virtually riding your bike and see how good that is at doing anything moderately worthwhile.
I'm not saying Police should do as they please, I am saying that high speed training is necessary and cannot be achieved off road, unless they give us F1 cars to practice with (which they won't). Even if they did, that would be as realistic as a simulator, since their are no road hazards present.
We have to be seen to be doing the right thing at all times, but we can't please everyone all of the time. Advanced drivers are taught to anticipate risk, read bends, paying particular attention to a system which they drive to. If you ever get the chance to go out in a high performance car with a Police Advanced Driving Instructor, I suggest you take it. It would really open your eyes to what can be achieved safely.
Anyway. I'm probably fighting a losing battle here, but that's how I feel and I won't change my opinion. I have the benefit of being a non-Police trained driver once upon a time and now a Class 1 advanced driver, so I feel that I am in a position to give a balanced opinion.
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14892 Location: Keynsham
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject:
Folks, this topic has been going for several months now and it's time to bring it to a close. I reckon Tommo has responded very reasonably throughout, and is one person who is truly qualified to comment, on the grounds that he's "one of them".
Can we please drop it now? It's not going anywhere except that it could very easily start to go wrong.
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:28 am Post subject:
As an ex-Police Officer and Class 1 Driver/Rider I have my own opinions but have chosen not to get involved in this until now.
Whilst everyone is entitled to their own opinion, the rights and wrongs of such matters lie at the end of the day with the individual forces and their operational procedures and training. It is they that must decide if such high speed training is necessary and were I a serving officer nowadays I would be seeking clarification on what was permitted.
Rather than have this turn into an endless to and fro argument between the for's and against's with 999tommo stuck in the middle I suggest we end it here.
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