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But I was talking about changing down instead of or before braking, not during braking.
Adjustments to gears can happen before and after a slowing procedure, However to slow down you should use your breaks and of course your break lights to show others your intentions, less someone doesn't see you have changed your speed and crashes into the back of you!
I am however refering to use of engine breaking, which is a complete no no exept on a hill decent. _________________ Dom
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:53 am Post subject:
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But I was talking about changing down instead of or before braking, not during braking.
It's OK Anita, don't worry. I think Mostdom must have more legs and feet than many of us and presumably more than there are pedals in his vehicle. What does one do after one has braked to next to nothing and finds oneself in 5th? Or does one brake a bit, change gear bit, brake a bit more (we used to call it pumping the brake - either to avoid skidding or to make up for leaking fluid!!)
Was the plasterer worth the stripping and waiting up? _________________ Dennis
What does one do after one has braked to next to nothing and finds oneself in 5th? Or does one brake a bit, change gear bit, brake a bit more...
You're asking all the same questions I did. :D so sit up and pay attention now.
If you're coming to a complete halt, when the engine begins to labour you would hold the clutch (manual) untill the car is stationary, handbreak on and neutrel gear. or If you believe you may be able to pull away quickly after breaking you would change to an apropriate gear at the end of a breaking sequence and accelerate. The system is refered to as IPSGA in the advanced driver manual, and is a also used by Police. So there!
As for my legs, they are quite nice and I'll count them for you now, ...
eerrrrrr, one, and erm, oh, ...?, two. :D _________________ Dom
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:40 am Post subject:
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The system is refered to as IPSGA in the advanced driver manual, and is a also used by Police. So there!
Well Stanley, you could blow me down with a pheasant feather, or bowl me over with a deer little stripe! All this time I've been worrying about getting into bad habits when all along I was IPSGA-ing. Just goes to show there's life in us old dogs yet. 'Scuse me - I must go tell Stavros. _________________ Dennis
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:41 am Post subject:
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Was the plasterer worth the stripping and waiting up?
I'm still waiting. He must have had a peep through the window and made a quick get away! Actually, I called him in before I'd finished stripping (well, it's not a good idea to reveal everything at once ) and I'm waiting for his quote to arrive.
mostdom is right. I Googled (not that I doubted him) and found this. It says "Brakes to Slow, Gears to Go". It's aimed at "white van man", so you might find it interesting!
I'm afraid I shall continue to use my gears! _________________ Anita
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:02 am Post subject:
Thanks for that Anita. I already "block change" and if they could teach me how to further economise I'd be interested - I still have 3mm tread on my rear (non drive) tyres after 73,000 miles and last year's accounting spreadsheet shows I achieved 56.98 miles per gallon overall on 60,000 miles. (For anybody who doesn't know about gallons, that's approximately 12.5 miles per litre - I've never risked it, but that means getting 560 miles out of a 45 litre tank). Last night's fill was 41.69 Litres after 539 miles. _________________ Dennis
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:04 am Post subject:
Well I'm probably the youngest one here and I took my driving test in 2003. Unfortunately I am suffering from pre-senile dementia today (might be something to do with the fact that I was woken up at a very rude hour this morning by the delivery man with my new spinning bike) and cannot remember the way I was officially taught to deal with bends.
However I do know that I tend to slow down considerably before one and then change down gears so that I take it in 3rd, or if it is a really bad bend like some of the ones we have around our way, in 2nd gear.
It's just the way I feel safest and I think that once you've passed your test, you tend to develop your own ways of driving that you feel happy with. I think as long as you can keep control of your car and are a safe driver, it shouldn't matter how you take a bend.
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:09 am Post subject:
Soon after I passed my test I thought about taking the Pass Plus course to knock my insurance down a bit and learn more driving techniques, but I never got round to doing it. I think that if I did it now I would be very nervous about sitting in a car with an instructor again as I know I've deviated so far from some of the things he taught me (I cross my hands on the steering wheel occasionally when turning corners - ahhh!! )
My Dad is an ex-police driver and he taught me the basics of driving before I had any formal lessons. Unfortunately a couple of the things he taught me (can't remember what, sorry) were knocked out of me pretty quickly when I got into the car with the instructor!
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Unfortunately a couple of the things he taught me (can't remember what, sorry) were knocked out of me pretty quickly when I got into the car with the instructor!
This is so typical. I've heard it said so many times that when you learn to take you driving test, you are just taught the basics of car control, and when you pass your test is when you accually learn to drive.
It's then not suprising that an instructor would dissmiss any advanced abillity displayed by a pupil. :x _________________ Dom
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Don’t any of you sleep, 8 posts after midnight and Anita is still “stripping” and worrying about a plasterer.
We seem to be off subject, but what the hell! Lot’s of Interesting reminiscing about “the old days”……..
DennisN, (and others) I didn’t realise there were so many “old codgers” active on this forum, I bought my first house for £3,250 in 1972 and it was a three bedroom semi. How much did you pay, £645? You must be due for the Royal Centenary card soon, as you are a lot older than me!
Although I may not be as old as you, I also passed on aprox’ 6 lessons, but with a local driving school, at £1’ish an hour and also doing hand signals, (not the one or two fingered ones they use today) but fancy ones that went with the “flick up” indicator that came up between the doors.
Talking about vacuum windscreen wipers (which used to stop going up hills) and double de-clutching (that gave you larger muscles in the left leg) how did we used to park the car before power steering, I remember a lorry driver friend commenting that driving my “sit up & beg” Ford Pop’ was worse than his lorry.
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And I was taught about "right of way". I recently heard some pompous fool saying that "right of way" is no longer a feature of driving,
This is the main problem on the road today, no manners, the other day, a taxi driver actually hit me with his car, as he was after a car length of space in a queue, rather than let me cross the road.
The trouble is what ever you are taught, goes out the window; I find that often, if you can’t beat them, you have to join them. How long are you supposed to sit at a junction before being let out? The other day I sat at a junction, waiting, whilst about 20/30 vehicles went past slowly, nobody would let me out.
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……….and grandad got bathed in a tin bath in front of the fire
Never mind your granddad, I used to use a tin bath until my teen’s.
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And instructors told you to drive as if you had a glass of water on your bonnet and if the car in front was a brick wall, could you stop?, those were the days.
I can also remember this, bet your instructor didn’t put a matchbox under the rear wheel before doing a hill start!
When I did my motorcycle test, I had to work the “Advanced/Retard” control on my bike when using gradients – they were the days, no crash helmets or speed limits, and after a long ride you had to clear the wasps from your undies and flies from your teeth.
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I was also amazed to hear people are no longer taught to use their gears when slowing for red traffic lights, they can stop in any gear. Back then we had to change down to third when approaching them, crossroads and passing a flaming black torch on a white background.
I was also taught to change gears for slowing. Looks as if I will have to change in the future, but old habits die hard, as mostdom says, the Highway Code has also made changes, when I go for the Advanced drivers course as he has, I’m going to have to re-look at my habits. _________________ TomTom Go 60
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Soon after I passed my test I thought about taking the Pass Plus course to knock my insurance down a bit and learn more driving techniques,
Does this actually knock your insurance down enough to be of any significance, or is it really about driving techniques. Unless someone corrects me, when I looked for insurance reductions, for extra courses such as IAM, Insurance Companies weren't that much help in reducing costs. _________________ TomTom Go 60
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...Does this actually knock your insurance down enough to be of any significance...
On average I believe it's about 5% but if you hunt about I've heared that 10% can be found. For me at least its about driver enjoyment.
The daily commute is boring, without speed cameras, and other road users posing a threat, there is just no fun in driving anymore.
Now deer hunting whilst driving, that could be a laugh! Eh! Dennis. _________________ Dom
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On average I believe it's about 5% but if you hunt about I've heared that 10% can be found.
I only pay £320 fully comp on a 140mph 2 litre sports saloon, so i will save £16 or £32 if i'm lucky.
I will have to look at driver enjoyment rather than the £ in my pocket. _________________ TomTom Go 60
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject:
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I only pay £320 fully comp on a 140mph 2 litre sports saloon
My Renault Kangoo van - you know, like those little MPVs which carry staggering old men in wheelchairs, only without windows. Fully comp for "Courier" work, £250 excess :-
October 2002 £1,198.65
October 2003 £1,062.10
October 2004 £1,062.10
October 2005 £1371.99 (including the deer stew - some laugh, Mr Happy!)
October 2006 £1,118.61
Do you blame me for paying £260 to repair the recent passenger window and door frame robbers costs out of my own pocket (that's excluding the Black Dyke Mills Brass Band CD of course)?
And I earn 25 pence a mile, gross
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cannot remember the way I was officially taught to deal with bends
It's like this dear - look at which way the bend is going, then grab the steering wheel with both hands, one each side like this guy, then lower the hand which is at the same side as where the bend is going to. When you've finished bending, return your hands to where they were before you started (making sure you take the steering wheel with them). :D _________________ Dennis
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) and I'm waiting for his quote to arrive.
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My Renault Kangoo van - you know, like those little MPVs which carry staggering old men in wheelchairs, only without windows. Fully comp for "Courier" work, £250 excess :-
