New category for Dummy cameras ?

[coconut]

We have recently seen a new category for the "pmobile" unreported / unverified cameras...

So how about a new category for known / reported "Dummy" cameras ?

That way it would be up to the individual to download that category if they wanted to, and either take action when approaching one, or not if they are confident it is an empty box.

This would surely be better than seeing a camera on a road you have never driven down before, and have no way of knowing if it is a dummy that has been there for years, or is a brand new one that is not on the database yet.

What does everyone else think
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[PaulB2005]

How would you know its a dummy?

How would you know once it's been changed back to a live camera?

Apart from receiving a NIP?

[coconut]

That's exactly the point - at the moment "Dummy" cameras, or those reported to be / believed to be / known to be ??? are NOT on the database, so using the M42 as an example, someone driving down that stretch for the first time would see the cameras and just not know whether they were dummies or not - they could have been put up that day and be too new to be on the database.

But if their location were shown on the database as a "Dummy" - like in the M42 case where MaFt has received a list of the ones that ARE dummies, then they would show as such. 8)

You could then choose to ignore them, or if you are a bit paranoid with maybe 9 points on your licence, you could double check your speed "just in case"

And moving on from that when you next see a camera that is not on the database as anything, not even a dummy, then you would have a better idea that it IS a new camera, would take appropriate action and report its location for inclusion on the database
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[coconut]

Sorry folks - this shouldn't have been a "new topic" - I clicked the wrong button ( Idiot ) - It should have been a reply to the topic here : http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=302680#302680

Hopefully the mods will merge the two.
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[Border_Collie]

Can't really see the point of having Cameras for Dummies.

If a Dummy sees a camera and not sure if it is working on not, I guess they would just put their foot down.

Dummies shouldn't be driving. :x
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[PaulB2005]

[technik]

If people know that a camera is a dummy, then it should be an individual decision to remove the cameras from the database.


I feel that since the removal of the M42 cameras from the PGPS database, drivers are deliberately driving far in excess of the posted speed limits, and I am talking up to 20mph over the posted speed.
This is creating a dangerous situation on the M42, and I do drive this road every day.

[mikealder]

The purpose of the speed camera database is NOT to permit speeding, if drivers are foolishly driving through that stretch of motorway at speeds in excess of the variable limit they could receive more than just a speeding ticket if the Police spot them.
The locations of the dummy boxes have been provided so should people want a POI file containing these locations where cameras are known NOT to exist they can create the POI file themselves (there are not too many in it anyway).
As I said on page one I find it incredible that people actually want to be warned of a location that is known to NOT contain a camera - I find this whole issue bizarre - Mike

[coconut]

Mike - It's not that difficult a concept to grasp surely ?

Forget the M42 example, say you are driving down a road you have never been down before, and you see a roadside camera that does not show up on your Sat Nav device ....

Is it a dummy camera that all the local's know is just an empty box ?
Is it a Live camera that has only just been put there and is too new to be on the database ?
Is it an error that has been inadvertently missed off the database ?

You just wouldn't KNOW.

If the databse compilers KNOW the locations of these dummy cameras then a separate POI file could be created, and folks could choose whether or not to use it.

That way when you come across one, you would KNOW it was a dummy.
Having such a POI file available for download would allow everyone to make their own choice, so those that think they don't weant to be alerted to every known dummy camera site, don't have to dowload that POI file - and those of us that would like to know can - Simple really
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[mikealder]

[DennisN]

Seeing as you posted this twice, I'll reply twice...

[Border_Collie]

[mikealder]

I suppose the "Dummy Cameras" could become a seperate POI file from the POI Download section (if Richard - Oldie were to agree to its inclusion) - but it should NEVER become part of the main download - I still consider this a useless and waste of time to be honest - there is no benefit in knowing where a camera doesn't exist - Mike

[Oldboy]

Can I include one for outside my house? That'll slow the B****** down.
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[mikealder]

I would add every local school - both directions from 500 YDS - no cameras are ever positioned near schools - but its a good safety net, perhaps slowing the motorist down this way might catch on - GET REAL if there is no camera why do you need to know the location? - Mike

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