Missing Cams on M42

csd115 · Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: Missing Cams on M42

Hope this is the right place for this but......The latest issue of the speed camera database 11/1/2007 seems to be missing about eight sets of camras on the M42 between J7 & J3a .

MaFt · Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Missing Cams on M42

csd115 · Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject:

MaFt
Surely the idea is to know where the grey boxes are whether there is a camera in it or not! I would imagine that someone would be moving the cameras around between boxes on that stretch of motorway. Or am I being a cynical old

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Cheers
csd115

Andy_Summ · Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: Dummy Camera Boxes

The actual cameras are in the same position they have been in for the past 18 months since they were installed.

The actual (real) camera boxes were installed a couple of months before the dummies and if you look closely, they are a slightly different shade of grey from the extra weathering (plus they actually have equipment in the window of both the camera and separate flash unit [in fact the live flash units have a little red LED you can see from underneath]).

Only after checking them for 18 months without them moving, was when the dummy boxes were removed from the database.

Andy.

MaFt · Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject:

cheers andy,

i agree that it's better to have the locations of actual cameras - especially when they haven't changed for 18 months

MaFt

rentech · Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject:

I would rather all the boxes were included. If a camera is not in the data base, because it is empty, I would guess most users would assume that it had not yet been submitted.

classy56 · Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject:

Deja Vu anybody 8O
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zort70 · Occasional Visitor Joined: Jan 08, 2007 Posts: 6

I have to agree that I would rather have the previous list of locations that were defined.

Not having them is slightly unsettling, as I've been used to all the warnings for some time through this database and the Road Angel Navigator one which I had previously.

mikealder · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:57 am Post subject:

I find this incredible, you know the camera isn't at the location but you want the position(s) adding to the database so you receive a warning about a camera that is known to not exist!!
The whole idea is to accurately inform drivers as to the location of speed cameras - not dummy boxed - Mike

rentech · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject:

I guess if we can guarantee that the dummy boxes remain as dummies then that's OK but if not, and Mr highways agency swaps them over one day, I don't want to be the first to pass them whilst above the limit. Driving on a regular route you may well become familiar with what cameras are live or not. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I would not risk exceeding the limit past a 'box' that was not in the database whilst presuming that the reason it was missing was because it was a dummy. Surely, people who are in an unfamiliar area will continue to resubmit these missing boxes?

Either way, still a great database that I’m grateful to make use of Wink

Andy_P · Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:54 am Post subject:

rentech · Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:07 am Post subject:

Wasn't aware of that, I'll make sure to check next time

Cheers

MaFt · Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject:

found this on another forum:

"I have a Bel 550 detector, and can say with confidence that of the 10 or so gantries that have cameras on them, about 4 are actually radiating."

from http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=17805

MaFt

coconut · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject:

classy56 - Deja Vu ? - Didn't you have that once, a while back ? Wink

On the stretch of M42 that is "Actively Traffic Managed" there are a total of 11 gantries, each of which span the whole width of the motorway, carrying Speed camera "type" boxes, over all the lanes in each direction. 4 of these locations are listed in the latest Database ( 3406, 11183, 3501, 3467 ).

Whilst I think we all agree that no-one is interested in an empty grey box, I would be very interested to know if the person that sent MaFt the "list" of live camera locations, can give any assurances that the dummy boxes will NEVER be made live ?

If there is a possibility of the camera locations being changed within the boxes, then I would like to be alerted to them all, 'cos the database won't get updated the same day the cameras are swapped around !

The Highways Agency themselves have previously STATED in an e-mail TO ME :

MaFt · Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject:

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