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flakybandit Occasional Visitor
Joined: Jun 20, 2006 Posts: 2
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: Garmin I3 Micro sd copy |
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Hi all,
I wonder if anyone can help me with this query i have a Garmin i3 with micro SD city nav v8 uk. i am trying make a back up copy of this using a Micro sd card reader i have copied the files from the original to a new Micro SD card but when i insert it into the i3 it says please use the provided PC software to load maps containing turn by turn route info. The Garmin i3 does not come with any uploading software. there are only 3 files on the orginal card they are the voice files and gmapsupp image file and gmapsupp unl. any one know how it is possible for me to make a back of these to work i my I3.?
One more thing has anyone purchased the Spain + Portugal card, if so does extend into the french Basque country ie biarritz or does it end at the Border.?
I tried to contact garmin but they just said check the website which is of no use at all i ask as i know the uk card has a lot of northern france.
Many thanks in advance
Kev |
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Beerbellybill999 Regular Visitor
Joined: Jan 16, 2006 Posts: 202 Location: Merseyside
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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You can only restore your backup back to the original transflash card it came from. Keep this safe on your hard drive or even better on CD/DVD and if you delete or corupt the original card you can at least re-instate it.
There is a security area on the card that you can't read(or delete) that must tie in the with data put on to it by Garmin
I hope this helps _________________ i3 2.70(went to 2.82,3.0,3.1 but downgraded) with V8 map on microSD card
Metroguide Europe V7 & V8 (routable and indexed)
Metroguide N America V6 (routable and indexed) |
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15145 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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the 's' of sd stand for 'secure' and, for once, it actually is! |
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flakybandit Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info guys i have just backed up the map data to cd |
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slatermethuen Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone using Linux (or Cygwin) tried backing up their microSD card using the 'dd' command? I was wondering whether this would also cause the security information not seen by the file system to be backed up. I would try myself, but I don't have a reader yet, or indeed another microSD card. It would be nice to know that I can perform a full restore to another card, should the original one fail. |
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Lester_Burnham Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: |
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slatermethuen wrote: | Has anyone using Linux (or Cygwin) tried backing up their microSD card using the 'dd' command? I was wondering whether this would also cause the security information not seen by the file system to be backed up. I would try myself, but I don't have a reader yet, or indeed another microSD card. It would be nice to know that I can perform a full restore to another card, should the original one fail. |
I would guess that rather depends on the device driver that's used when you run dd.
Whilst I get your point, that using dd would effectively bypass any filesystem per se, it would only really help if the device driver exposed the secure area.
And even then I'm not sure the issue could just be resolved by copying it.
There are plenty of imaging products that can bypass filesystems, so I'm not entirely sure whether this could be achieved by simply raw copying. |
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Ash10 Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Feb 19, 2005 Posts: 478
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: |
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slatermethuen wrote: | Has anyone using Linux (or Cygwin) tried backing up their microSD card using the 'dd' command? I was wondering whether this would also cause the security information not seen by the file system to be backed up. |
Only v1.0 of the SD spec' has been publicly released, and even that's a stripped-down version. It's highly improbable that this would support the secure access methods required to perform a complete backup... |
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mk_graham Regular Visitor
Joined: Jul 13, 2006 Posts: 200 Location: Milton Keynes UK
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Call me a cynic, but I reckon you're actually attempting to copy for profit, rather than back-up.
Don't get me wrong - if you crack it - I'm in! _________________ Garmin i3 gone (sold on eBay)
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V7 PMD 1400 with Western Europe Maps gone (sold in local paper)
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TomTom Go 720 WE Maps (for sale)
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iPhone with Sygic Mobile Maps (Europe) - having problems |
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Pootle Regular Visitor
Joined: Oct 25, 2005 Posts: 111 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Copying a free update for profit.......?
_________________ -----------------------------------
Enjoy? WTF?
(S)ad
(A)nd
(P)roud
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i3, V8, V2.7, WAAS EGNOS.
Audio V2, Simpsons Voice File
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mk_graham Regular Visitor
Joined: Jul 13, 2006 Posts: 200 Location: Milton Keynes UK
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Pootle wrote: | Copying a free update for profit.......?
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As i said, it must just be me being cynical. I have obviously misunderstood the way this thread is heading i.e. how to copy secure data from a locked Garmin card to another card. You on the other hand have not read it this way and therefore you must be right. _________________ Garmin i3 gone (sold on eBay)
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V7 PMD 1400 with Western Europe Maps gone (sold in local paper)
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TomTom Go 720 WE Maps (for sale)
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iPhone with Sygic Mobile Maps (Europe) - having problems |
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pcoulthard Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: You can not copy a SD card |
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Sorry to tell you that you can not copy an Sd card, you can back up data to put back on the same card, but it will not work if copied to a blanc card.
From SD Copyright Protection
The card's control circuitry allows data to be read and written (in its The protection area) only when appropriate external devices are detected. A check-out (copying) from a PC to the SD Memory Card is restricted to 3 copies in compliance with the SDMI specification. All SD-Audio products comply with SDMI.
The SD Memory Card copyright protection function has the following features:
Access to the SD Memory Card must be enabled by authentication between devices
A random number is generated each time there is mutual authentication and exchange of security information
(2) Before the content is stored in the SD Memory Card, the personal computer will check whether the card is legitimate, and the card will check whether the personal computer software is a legitimate application. When mutual validation has been confirmed, the content will be encrypted in accordance with the key on each card and the key associated with the content.
(3) Simultaneously, the encrypted content information will be stored on the card.
(4) In the same way, before the semiconductor player reads the content from the card, the player will check whether the card is legitimate and the card will check whether the player is a legitimate device. When mutual validation has been confirmed, the player will acquire the key for decryption.
(5) Simultaneously, the encrypted content information will be read from the card, decrypted by the semiconductor device, and replayed legitimately.
Since this procedure is not possible with anything other than a legitimate personal computer, memory card and semiconductor player, the result is that illegal behavior can be prevented.
Also
The main body of content that was encrypted and stored in the data area can be copied freely to another card, but, since the copyrighted information of the content stored in the protected area cannot be copied to another card, this means it cannot be reproduced or copied dishonestly.
Moreover, even if a dishonest copy of the copyrighted information stored in the protected area could be made in some way, this information is still protected because it has been encrypted in accordance with the key that is unique to each card so that it cannot be decrypted.
If a particular SD device were to be hacked, and this access procedure were to be analyzed, there is still a key revocation system that will invalidate the key of the SD compliant device that has been hacked by altering the keys of future cards |
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