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snooper
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 Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:24 pm Post subject: POSTCODE ERROR |
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I used the link to the postcodes:
I am getting the following message
Installation Error-
ukpostcode.dat not found in .exe folder
I am using a RZ1710 and an Kingston 512mb SD Card
ANYONE HELP |
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Oldboy
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: POSTCODE ERROR |
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| snooper wrote: | I used the link to the postcodes:
I am getting the following message
Installation Error-
ukpostcode.dat not found in .exe folder
I am using a RZ1710 and an Kingston 512mb SD Card
ANYONE HELP |
It might be of some help if you follow this thread http://pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=16980
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dunos
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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DISCLAIMER: I am not a laywer.
You can't hold copyright on a postcode or on a coordiante but you can hold copyright on a database.
If you go to every house in the UK and ask them what their postcode is, write it down, and then use your GPS to work out what the coordiantes are for that point, write them down, and compile all that information into a database then you would hold the copyright to that database.
A database could be a CSV file that you publish on a website. You could say that your database can only be used for personal private use only and can not be give to anyone else without your permission. If then someone bundled your database into a product and then started giving that product away to others then that would be an infringement of your copyright.
Therefore Royal Mail, possibly in combination with others, hold the copyright to a database of postcode data which they compiled themselves and which they licence out to others. If, and I am not saying this happened, someone got hold of a copy of the Royal Mail database and published it on a website saying "free for all" without permission of Royal Mail then that would be an infringement of Royal Mail's copyright and licencing agreements.
I imagine that OS have, at one time or another, compiled a database of postcodes and this may or may not be what is being disputed here.
My comments are not from a legal mind. They are what I understand of copyright law with regard to data and databases.
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Nomada
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Hi dunos,
| dunos wrote: | DISCLAIMER: I am not a laywer.
You can't hold copyright on a postcode or on a coordiante but you can hold copyright on a database. |
Sorry but this is wrong. Postcodes are the system created by Royal Mail as company, so they are subject of Intellectual Property. From a legal point of view everybody sending a parcel or letter and not using Royal Mail for it is in a breach of law.
| Quote: | | If you go to every house in the UK and ask them what their postcode is, write it down, and then use your GPS to work out what the coordiantes are for that point, write them down, and compile all that information into a database then you would hold the copyright to that database. |
And still you need Royal Mail license to use their system. Unless you invent a new postcode numbering. Then you got it!!!
Just to open an office and start to sell it...
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Jose Adell |
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dunos
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Nomada wrote: | Hi dunos,
| dunos wrote: | DISCLAIMER: I am not a laywer.
You can't hold copyright on a postcode or on a coordiante but you can hold copyright on a database. |
Sorry but this is wrong. Postcodes are the system created by Royal Mail as company, so they are subject of Intellectual Property. From a legal point of view everybody sending a parcel or letter and not using Royal Mail for it is in a breach of law. |
It can't be copyrighted as a code number couldn't be considered a work. The database can be copyrighted but database right concerns control over the extraction and re-utilisation of the contents of the database not of the compilation. If I can make my own database I can use it how I like, if I use the Royal Mail database then I have to licence the use from them.
http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/std/resources/other_ip_rights/database_right.htm
It can't be trademarked as they would have to trademark each individual representation of each unique postcode.
http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/std/faq/trade_marks/what.htm
It the conceptual idea of post codes can not be patented by the Royal Mail as they did not invent them, as far as I can tell from brief research. Even if they had patented postcodes the patent would have expired by now. Also at the moment you can't patent a business method.
http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/std/faq/patents/business_methods.htm
| Nomada wrote: | And still you need Royal Mail license to use their system. Unless you invent a new postcode numbering. Then you got it!!!
Just to open an office and start to sell it... |
Unless there is evidence otherwise I must conclude that you have to licence the use of RoyalMail databases, not the system.
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Dan. |
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Nomada
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Hi dunos,
Sorry, I have not time to follow this.
Right now I'm on the other side of this street, so just to give you my 2 p. with a copy of part of an email I got from Royal Mail when started to ask to be reseller:
"By using Postcodes in your application you are using Royal Mail Intellectual Property (IP). Postcodes are the IP of Royal Mail and as such if used in a product are subject to licence fees.
To sell the product you have created you would need to become a Licenced Reseller of PAF and collect royalties on behalf of Royal Mail, as you quite rightly point out this would take up your own time.
As you have stated the Royal Mail data contains grid references, not geographical coordinates.
It is not unlawful to know the geographical coordinates of a Postcode, Royal Mail becomes involved when it's IP is being used, as in this case the Postcode."
May be you're right and then I'm silly expending my money on licenses, but you know what? Nobody is sending me letters or taking my places down.
Regards,
Jose Adell |
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frankfrank
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:04 pm Post subject: Database format |
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Does anyone know how to use the database. I was wanting to use it a while ago, but since I thought that it was Neils' copyright, I didn't want to ask him just to let me use it. Since the OS have killed of UKPostcode, I'd like to use this database now (just in a small offline project to help some of my friends who do a lot of travelling to customers). I have looked at the file, and can't spot any patterns to figure out how it works. I have read that he used .NET to compress the size of the database, and don't have the time or skills to work through the assembler to figure out the format.
Can anyone (Neils?) help please? Thanks |
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howardr
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Nomada wrote: | Hi dunos,
Sorry, I have not time to follow this.
Right now I'm on the other side of this street, so just to give you my 2 p. with a copy of part of an email I got from Royal Mail when started to ask to be reseller:
"By using Postcodes in your application you are using Royal Mail Intellectual Property (IP). Postcodes are the IP of Royal Mail and as such if used in a product are subject to licence fees.
To sell the product you have created you would need to become a Licenced Reseller of PAF and collect royalties on behalf of Royal Mail, as you quite rightly point out this would take up your own time.
As you have stated the Royal Mail data contains grid references, not geographical coordinates.
It is not unlawful to know the geographical coordinates of a Postcode, Royal Mail becomes involved when it's IP is being used, as in this case the Postcode."
May be you're right and then I'm silly expending my money on licenses, but you know what? Nobody is sending me letters or taking my places down.
Regards,
Jose Adell |
Does that mean addresses are the intelectual property of the local authorities that decided on the road names and numbering?
Just my 2p |
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Nomada
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Howardr,
| howardr wrote: | Does that mean addresses are the intelectual property of the local authorities that decided on the road names and numbering?
Just my 2p |
Who did mention addresses? I cannot read a word about it. |
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Oldboy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't the subject irrelevant now that TT, in V5, is bringing out full Postcode searching?
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Pocketgps
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Oldboy wrote: | | Isn't the subject irrelevant now that TT, in V5, is bringing out full Postcode searching? |
That's presuming that all the thousands of TomTom 3 users are going to update, which I very much doubt. |
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Skinz
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I heard that it wasn’t a certainty that postcode search’s would be in tomtom 5, apparently they haven’t bought any licensing from OS as of yet. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I have had to hard rest my iPAQ .... I have all the files, but does anyone have a copy of the installation instructions for installing this ? |
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grasmere
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:21 am Post subject: |
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anyone got the digitools post code dbase please - Its a superb program and I had to do a hard rest on my pda but my backups never saved my storage card contents - now I know :-(((
pm me if possible, thanks |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Hard resetting your PDA shouldn't affect your storage card. |
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