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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link Mike. What is this Facebook thing, anyway? |
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IanS100 Frequent Visitor
Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 870 Location: Southport
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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AndyVaughan wrote: | ... It was done as a response to a period where severe weather conditions were resulting in an overload of HD Traffic incidents.
Kenneth | [/quote]
I could understand this if HD Traffic didn't download everything before promptly discarding it, which doesn't make sense! |
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mikealder Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 19638 Location: Blackpool , Lancs
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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@M8TJT for FaceBook queries you are better asking DennisN as he is fully up to speed on whats needed, just go to the FaceBook web site and create a user account then search out the user group and click join.
@IanS100 There were quite a few LIVE server outages during the severe weather last winter, if the servers at TomTom were crashing due to processing large amounts of traffic data, by reducing the effective range of the service is/ was a way to reduce server loading, once its discarded the additional data the device doesn't continue to get the full range data just a smaller sub set based upon the present position of the device.
As the start point and end point of any planned trip are known I fail to see why the device downloads 50 miles of data in front of AND behind the car, it would be better to get 100 miles in the direction of travel rather than a 50 mile radius, who is really interested in hold ups behind them? - Mike |
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AliOnHols Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Oct 15, 2008 Posts: 1936
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:46 am Post subject: |
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mikealder wrote: | ........... I fail to see why the device downloads 50 miles of data in front of AND behind the car, it would be better to get 100 miles in the direction of travel rather than a 50 mile radius............ Mike | Possibly for tt's benefit, presumably the code/formula is much easier to write
EDIT - spelling _________________ Garmin Nuvi 2599
Android with CamerAlert, OsmAnd+, Waze & TT Europe.
TomTom GO 730, GO 930, GO 940 & Rider2.
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14893 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:45 am Post subject: |
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AliOnHols wrote: | mikealder wrote: | ........... I fail to see why the device downloads 50 miles of data in front of AND behind the car, it would be better to get 100 miles in the direction of travel rather than a 50 mile radius............ Mike | Possibly for tt's benefit, presumably the code/formula is much easier to write
EDIT - spelling | Hmm, I don't know about this. I think in general traffic is downloaded BEFORE a route is planned, so the best it can hope for is a radius from your position as established by first sat fix. Maybe a change of policy is needed here - don't download traffic until AFTER a route has been selected? But then I suppose it might take extra time to start driving.
But maybe Mike means don't use data from behind once a route is selected - we have well demonstrated that the initial download is pretty wide ranging. A second download when a route is selected should discard everything to the rear and add the extra distance ahead. It's currently downloading a pretty wide area, simply move the baseline to the edge (start) instead of the centre once a route is selected and that would give well over 200 miles. Furthermore, a second refresh download could reset the parameters for the trip to hugely reduce the amount of data to download - I'd guess that the majority of journeys are under 100 miles. _________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
Two of them are obesiting!! |
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mikealder Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 19638 Location: Blackpool , Lancs
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:54 am Post subject: |
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DennisN wrote: | But maybe Mike means don't use data from behind once a route is selected |
Yes, that is what I mean
DennisN wrote: | I'd guess that the majority of journeys are under 100 miles. |
I don't tend to bother using the nav device for trips less than 100 miles - Mike |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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DennisN wrote: | Maybe a change of policy is needed here - don't download traffic until AFTER a route has been selected? But then I suppose it might take extra time to start driving. |
No way! As far as I'm concerned, I want to get that route set as quick as possible (preferably with an on-screen note to say "Traffic not ready" if it isn't there yet). _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-) |
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falkirk81 Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Jul 07, 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Newcastle, England, UK
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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DennisN wrote: | A second download when a route is selected should discard everything to the rear and add the extra distance ahead. It's currently downloading a pretty wide area, simply move the baseline to the edge (start) instead of the centre once a route is selected and that would give well over 200 miles. Furthermore, a second refresh download could reset the parameters for the trip to hugely reduce the amount of data to download - I'd guess that the majority of journeys are under 100 miles. |
Dennis,
Would you mind if I take this suggestion of yours and pass it on to TT giving the link here for the credit to go to you?
Steven _________________ Tomtom GO 1005 LIVE
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14893 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, help yourself. Tell them I'll accept a 1000. I think you'll find the suggestion is far from easily implemented though - I suspect it sounds easier than the reality.
Would you like my suggestion on how to implement Speech recognition so that it works for everybody? (It was ignored when I first suggested it). It is one which is dead easy to implement and works for everybody, as in EVERYBODY. _________________ Dennis
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falkirk81 Pocket GPS Verifier
Joined: Jul 07, 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Newcastle, England, UK
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Fire away, I can suggest it and see what happens!
Steven _________________ Tomtom GO 1005 LIVE
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14893 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Simples Meerkat click noise.
Remember the original speech recognition ones? The (limited) menus available had numbered items. The only speech recognition required is...
1. An activation command which must be tested to get TT to recognise MikeAlder's accent. Simply "Tom Tom Menu"
2. Every menu has however many items you can fit on the screen, all numbered, so all you speak is the number of the command required (not forgetting one for back, and one for forward and cancel)
3. Use only the existing speech recognition for city and street names as at present. Every other command to be simply speak the number.
Meerkat noise - the end of all that frustrated shouting or whispering in Geordie-ish or Lancashire-ish or SouthernerSoftyPants-ish and saying how the hell do I remember the command for "whatever". I'll accept a year's updates for my 520, 550 (including Greece) and Carminat for this one (or a 1000 if they don't think the Traffic range one is worth it). _________________ Dennis
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pottsy Regular Visitor
Joined: Jul 27, 2004 Posts: 86 Location: Midlands, UK
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Voice control on the new Garmins (I had a 2390) is perfect. And you don't even have to press a button to initiate it.
Tomtom just need to buy a 2390 and copy that. |
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AndyVaughan Lifetime Member
Joined: Apr 13, 2006 Posts: 1500 Location: Rossendale
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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DennisN wrote: | 1. An activation command which must be tested to get TT to recognise MikeAlder's accent. |
I can barely recognise MikeAlder's accent
Sorry Mike, couldn't resist! |
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2216 Regular Visitor
Joined: Dec 10, 2005 Posts: 245
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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A menu mileage option in HD Traffic would be nice. There is Traffic preferences which has only one option :- report if traffic on route changes, so it could be added there. |
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AndyVaughan Lifetime Member
Joined: Apr 13, 2006 Posts: 1500 Location: Rossendale
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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2216 wrote: | A menu mileage option in HD Traffic would be nice. There is Traffic preferences which has only one option :- report if traffic on route changes, so it could be added there. |
+1 |
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